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Marilla Tue 18-Jun-19 20:48:55

I am shocked by the standard of debate and the lack of the ability to questions with integrity. The only candidate who spoke with clarity and honesty is Rory Stewart.
God help us if either of the other four get appointed!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Jun-19 16:17:53

Whataboutery still alive and in play I see.

It makes much more sense to address the argument rather than something entirely different.

I wouldn’t bank on Johnson either if his statement at the weekend is anything to go by. The brextremists must be feeling very twitchy.

JenniferEccles Wed 19-Jun-19 17:36:44

Emily was truly dreadful, wasn't she? Continually interrupting the candidates was very rude I thought.

Yes challenge them on what they said, but give them a chance to have their say uninterrupted.

As for the candidates, neither Rory nor Sajid were in my opinion, Prime Minister material so I hope they both get voted out.

Although I can't say I completely trust Boris, I still feel he is the best of the bunch.

I absolutely agree with him when he said that to take 'no deal' off the table in future negotiations would be crazy.

To me it's a bit like going into a car showroom to possibly buy a new car. It's vital to make it clear from the outset that we will walk away with nothing (or in political terms 'no deal') if the deal they offer us isn't good enough.

grumppa Wed 19-Jun-19 17:52:50

Emily Mantles had to keep oninterrupting because they weren't answering tbe questions and there were time constraints

We were subjected to a series of mini power cuts, presumably instigated by Boris's minders who didn't want us to notice his evasions.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Jun-19 17:56:28

grumppa you didn’t miss much

Fennel Wed 19-Jun-19 18:02:03

Rory Stewart reminds me of Ed Milliband in some ways.

Nico97 Wed 19-Jun-19 18:07:50

Rory Stewart out of the race

Anniebach Wed 19-Jun-19 18:09:43

As expected

maddy47 Wed 19-Jun-19 18:09:47

Sad about that. I rather took to Rory.

Nandalot Wed 19-Jun-19 18:14:30

Yes, you’re right Fennel. Disappointed to see him go. He seemed to be offering the only alternative in a cast of lookalikes.

Calendargirl Wed 19-Jun-19 18:29:28

Rory seemed like a child masquerading as a grown up, not PM material, not that any of them are much cop.

hiljo Wed 19-Jun-19 18:51:33

They all did exactly what politicians do all the time. Said what they thought people wanted to hear. They shouted over each other like they were in a playground and non of them gave me any hope for the future

winterwhite Wed 19-Jun-19 19:06:26

Chairs were a huge mistake. I too wondered whether R S had a bad back or hip, he looked so uncomfortable it must have thrown him off his stride. IMO he was the only one to give an honest answer re tax cuts and funding public services. But he does lack gravitas. As fitness for the task ahead I would rank Hunt first, then Javid, then Johnson, then Gove. Never thought I’d rank anyone below BJ, but Gove I def do.

Callistemon Wed 19-Jun-19 19:46:31

'An imam who asked a question on the BBC’s Conservative leadership debate has been suspended by his mosque and the school he works for after it emerged he had previously made “extremely disturbing” comments on social media.'

I'm not sure if it was on the main news as I missed that, but there was certainly a report on our local news, POGS.
I think his appearance proved to be an embarrassment not just for the BBC but for people in his community too.

Callistemon Wed 19-Jun-19 19:50:26

We were subjected to a series of mini power cuts, presumably instigated by Boris's minders who didn't want us to notice his evasions.
grin
Surely you aren't suggesting that Boris is really Thor, grumppa?

Callistemon Wed 19-Jun-19 19:51:09

Rory Stewart reminds me of Ed Milliband in some ways.
Earnest and means well?

watermeadow Wed 19-Jun-19 19:51:21

I have been utterly fed up with Brexit for 3 years. Now the BBC is obsessed with which crooked, lying, power-hungry Tory will lead us further into ruin.
I switch off the radio at every current mention of politics (no TV) and cannot imagine why anyone would have watched a televised “debate”
The moment this is over the BBC will begin blanket coverage of the next US election.
I’m paying for a licence just to watch an occasional programme on I Player.

lemongrove Wed 19-Jun-19 22:43:13

Fennel I said the same, just today ( Stewart reminds me of Ed Miliband) his looks and his speech.

POGS Wed 19-Jun-19 23:02:19

Callistemon

"I'm not sure if it was on the main news as I missed that, but there was certainly a report on our local news, POGS."
--

It was being covered today , not sure about the BBC news coverage.

The BBC is certainly getting it's supposed impartiality questioned of late .

I think it has indirectly done neither Patel or Thakar any good by being chosen if the latest Guardian update is correct.

varian Thu 20-Jun-19 11:04:27

JenniferEccles has posted-

"To me it's a bit like going into a car showroom to possibly buy a new car. It's vital to make it clear from the outset that we will walk away with nothing (or in political terms 'no deal') if the deal they offer us isn't good enough."

This is a totally fallacious argument. If you walk away from the car showroom you still have exactly the same amount of money as when you went in. You lose nothing.

If we walk away from the EU with no deal we will be immeasureably worse off for generations to come - trashed economy, damaged national security and greatly diminished standing in the world.

If you want an analogy it is like threatening our partner by saying "if you don't give me what I want I'll shoot myself."

I'm just staggered that leavers keep repeating this stupid argument.

humptydumpty Thu 20-Jun-19 11:16:03

Completely agree, varian - what a ridiculous statement.

winterwhite Thu 20-Jun-19 11:50:12

I think I've missed something re Mr Patel. His question was, 'Do you agree that words have consequences?' Isn't it retrospective 'no platform'-ing to say that he should have been debarred from asking it because of what we now know? Of course if the BBC had known his background they would have chosen someone else, and his motives seem rather odd, but at the time I thought it a good and fair question.
The last questioner seemed at the time an obvious Labour plant, but it was a clear and neutral question so did that matter?

Callistemon Thu 20-Jun-19 13:55:41

As far as I understand it, winterwhite (and I could be wrong), the problem was with the questioner who apparently had a controversial Twitter account which was deleted/hidden before he appeared on BBC radio and tv, then has been resurrected since then.
His views on there, apparently, do not accord with those in his own community who sound like sensible people.

varian Thu 20-Jun-19 16:31:07

Femi Oluwale gives the Tory leadership contenders a fair hearing

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2256071154656394