Prince Andrew

It looks as if the RF are in for another bashing.

I've watched the programme.

I believe him. Emily Maitlis is scraping the barrel.

And sleaze and unbecoming behaviour is not unprecedented in the RF. In the context of Tampaxgate and Dianagate this is nothing.

Even the veracity of the photo can't be verified.

Storm in a teacup.

'Where is decency? Certainly not in the newspapers; anything for a good story and not too much attention paid to establishing the truth before they publish.

do you just drop or shun your friends just because they ve done something wrong I hope I wouldn’t at least not immediately

grandma70 if I found out or knew my friend was a paedophile yes of course I would drop them like a hot potato wouldn’t you?
I am an extremely loyal friend but I would never be going out or staying with a paedophile once I knew about their activities Your answer has really shocked me Can you honestly say if you found out your friend was a sex offender having orgies and using young girls, you would continue that friendship
If I found out my best friend had stole something or hit someone I would of course stay around to see if they had a valid reason or a problem but if i found out they were abusing girls I d run for the hills there can be no explanation for that

Andrew at best turned a blind eye but hardly without doubt he enjoyed his time with the man monster

I thought that the photograph of him with his arm around 'that lady' (young girl) was very interesting as it was apparently taken at Maxwell's house and Maxwell is in the background, smiling.
It made me think of the possibilities of blackmail too.

I agree Bluebelle.

So what's the point of all this?

Does the woman want compensation?

And where's Ghislaine Maxwell in this? She WAS the pimp, after all.

Why no interviews with Epstein's chambermaids, valets, laundresses, cooks, pilot, chauffeur, housemaids, staff at that nightclub, and the photographers concerned with the incriminating photos?

I believe photos can be faked. I also believe rich men often feel entitled and pay for what they want whatever that be. Andrew must be pretty stupid to think he could be unobserved.

I cannot understand why the Queen's close relations are not trained by professional PR experts in how royal persons ought to behave. I do hope the Queen will not suffer from all this dirt.

I can't make up my mind one way or the other at the moment. I watched the interview last night and was looking at his body language more than anything after each question that was asked of him.
Then I wondered how he'd fair in a court of law if it came to that.
I've come across the " sudden loss of memory " after a certain question and in a case that I'm following it turned out to be something that the person concerned hadn't wanted to remember certain incidents, which were found out to be as it happened.

He's only got himself to blame for associating with Epstein who he must have known what sort of monster he was.
This is some wake-up call for Andrew !

I think he's lying. Don't know what possessed him to do that interview. Craziest thing any of 'em have done in a long time. But then I would imagine he's a bit thick.

Given that someone like him will always be photographed so much, I don't find it in the least odd that he doesn't recall that particular photo being taken.

Finding the whole issue (and him) however, boring and distasteful, I couldn't bear to watch the interview. Dh wanted to though so I escaped to the kitchen and watched part 11 of Spiral instead. Just the final episode to go!

Silly man! Why did he feel the need to justify himself? His actions were just part of his lifestyle. He used to be known as a playboy, and that's the life he led. Remember Koo Stark...his first love? She was a soft porn star, which is why she was considered unsuitable. Just shows which sort of social circle he moves in.

I think the interview may be a publicity thing. The girl is talking, as are other girls.

I think he wants his story "out there" so, if anything else is said, he can say that he has said everything he has to.

Maybe the girl wants him to appear in a court in the States? She's made a declaration (but only backed up by one other person I think).

Can Andy be subpoena'd to give evidence?

I agree with BlueBelle. And just because there have been examples of pretty poor behaviour in the past, doesn’t make this story any more acceptable. I’m astonished that any woman at least whose a mother and a grandmother , had daughters, granddaughters would ever think it was fine for young women to be procured/trafficked/exploited/ traded in this way by sleazy men. At the very least, PA should not have been anywhere near any of these men and these parties. This went on for years, it wasn’t a brief one off youthful
indiscretion.

Grandma70s I can’t help but wonder what the men amongst your family and friends are like if you think this sort of behaviour is a big fuss about not much.

These utter sleazebags of so called human beings both male and female who use and abuse the young for their own pleasure and gratification are abhorent. Using power and privilege to obtain satisfaction by means of another's pain is as old as the hills but it doesn't mean that it's in any way right. We need to call these people out and they need to face up to the devastating consequences of their behaviour. That's the point of it all old gimmer.

PA will never appear in court over this. He’ll just take more and more of a back seat ( not that for years as he ever been more that a golf playing chocolate teapot) with the occasional grubby story emerging when he escapes his minders.

Alexa I read something yesterday about the possible faking of that photo; as always there are some who, after thorough examination, believe it was faked and others who are adamant it was genuine.

But the photo isn’t the main point even it is? He was friends with a man infamous for years for his parties with young girls who eventually was taken to court, found guilty, and put on the sex offenders register. The rumour about the photo was started by allies of PA almost certainly and I guess it will now never be proved to the satisfaction of all either way.

I think it could be proved one way or another, but I thought that it was supposed to provide the proof that he did meet this young girl whereas he denies it.

If it was just suggested that he posed with her for a photo (with Maxwell in the background, rather odd) then he is really rather stupid.
However, his links with Epstein and Maxwell are far too strong to cry innocent.

If, as he says, he was taking Beatrice to a pizza party in Woking at the time one of the events was supposed to have taken place, can't the parents of the other kids verify this?

Yes Call what’s making me squirm is PA apologists arguing about the veracity of the photo or whether the young woman consented when the actual facts of JE and his behaviour and PAs long standing friendship with him are absolutely undisputed.

Some people are so in thrall to the concept of royalty that they lose all reason - who on here would accept their son mixing with JE or their dd going to a party at his house?

It is about the photo Sw because the worst part of it is him having sex with an underage girl.

They have tried and tried to prove that photo is fake. They have been totally unsuccessful.

He's a liar.

Doubt there will be a court case. Have staff at Epstein’s houses
given evidence ?

One woman makes allegations about one man, surely she can name many men , has she ?

Wealth and privilege is spoken of, no different to men in this
country from all walks of life visiting prostitutes who have been groomed by their pimps.

The interview was damaging , so many lies.

When will they learn from the Queen, never give interviews,
there was the Diana Panorama interview, recently the Harry and Megan interviews.

I think his charities will want rid of him now.

If he ever has to be cross examined in court he will seriously regret this interview.