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I feel sorry for Prince Harry

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Artdecogran Sun 12-Jan-20 12:00:22

After looking at all the news reports etc I have come to the conclusion that Harry is really stuck in the middle of his wife and the RF. Meghan married Harry very quickly, which can cause difficulties in ‘normal’ families, but with the emotionally constipated RF it was a disaster waiting to happen. If someone like Diana, who had experience of royalty couldn’t cope with the way of life or the hold the courtiers have over proceedings, how could a feisty American. Catherine has only managed it because she and William took a very long time to get her settled into the RF.
Moving to a new country, getting married, having a baby and trying to fit into the RF is a heavy burden, and then being bullied completely by the press is enough to make anyone crack. The daily mail is still dredging up anyone they can to slate Meghan and Harry.
Harry is trying to protect his wife, and according to recent reports, has tried to initiate changes but has been rebuffed at every stage. I would think that seeing the photos on the Queen’s desk didn’t show him or Meghan or their son was hurtful and an indication that they no longer counted. The further photos of the 4 reigning/next in line would surely have pushed home that point.
Harry has slumped down the line of succession, the same thing that happened to Andrew, Anne and Edward. But they had each other to share this change of status and that surely made matters easier.
I think Harry feels very alone and impotent and is trying very hard to change things for his wife, but has had to make a huge fuss to get anyone to listen. If you add in his own personal problems then I am very surprised that he is still trying to go forward instead of just giving up. Perhaps now the RF will abandon their stiff upper lip and treat Harry better than they did Diana.
Sorry for long waffle.

Sparklefizz Sat 18-Jan-20 14:33:57

I assume we're still paying for M's security while she faffs around in Canada?

maddyone Sat 18-Jan-20 14:33:21

Trisher, perhaps you’d be happier if you stayed off this thread.

maddyone Sat 18-Jan-20 14:31:49

I didn’t say Catherine doesn’t like her ring, and nor did anyone else. We said we dont like it. Not quite the same is it vegansrock?

trisher Sat 18-Jan-20 14:19:31

MawB and Annie I could I suppose post all the roles MM had before Suits as an example of her acting career. I could say the Deal or No Deal was just a way of earning a living along with other work she did between acting jobs. But hey what's the point? The prejudiced, biased, inaccurate posts will go on and you will all continue to play Good Royal v Bad Royal whatever I say. So enjoy your hatred and bile. I've come to the concluson that some use GN to post things they would never dare say to members of their own family.

vegansrock Sat 18-Jan-20 14:13:15

How do we know Catherine doesn’t like her ring ? She might love it - you are just making it up like mostly of the tosh written on here.

maddyone Sat 18-Jan-20 14:06:58

Easybee.

I agree, I don’t like that ring either, it’s not at all to my taste. But it says a lot for Catherine that she wears the ring and didn’t create a fuss like Meghan would have done .
Catherine wears that ring, regardless of whether she would have chosen it, because it means a lot to her husband. Meghan had her ring, the one Harry so carefully designed, using some diamonds from his mother’s jewellery, she had it changed so it had little diamonds all along the band. It looks tacky now in my opinion, the original was absolutely stunning. What Meghan wants, Meghan gets.

Callistemon Sat 18-Jan-20 14:04:53

We have to have a Head of State of one kind or another and it saves having even more elections,.
#BrendafromBristol

I think they are the cheaper option, not sure, they can spend their own money how they wish but then I know far less about the Royal Family than you trisher, so perhaps I'm not the best judge of what system is best value for money.

maddyone Sat 18-Jan-20 14:00:24

Trisher.

Prince William paid for the eternity ring he gave to Catherine. It was a personal gift from husband to wife. That’s the difference. Meghan accepted a gift from a designer, knowing full well that whilst she retains the title HRH, The Duchess of Sussex, that it is not allowed to accept such gifts, which will be viewed as an endorsement of the designer.
I have an eternity ring that my husband gave to me. I didn’t need that ring in order to live. Are you saying people shouldn’t have such things because they’re not needed?

eazybee Sat 18-Jan-20 13:52:58

I always feel sorry for the Duchess of Cambridge, whose personal taste in jewellery seems very modest, having to wear, every day for the rest of her life, that dreadful vulgar engagement ring which Diana designed for herself.

tickingbird Sat 18-Jan-20 13:41:45

Maw B very good grin

tickingbird Sat 18-Jan-20 13:40:30

Yes so why isn't she renouncing it all Trisher? This thread is about H and M. They want out but set up a website playing on their royal status and almost a year ago trademarked Sussexroyal as a brand. Either start your own thread on abolishing the monarchy or contribute to this one with valid comments relating to the discussion. You’re asking why they don’t all renounce everything. This thread is about H&M and the fact that they want out BUT want to keep their royal status. At least the others are here and do do something!

Anniebach Sat 18-Jan-20 13:32:09

tickingbird that was hard work ? She was a legs and boobs not an actress ?

Anniebach Sat 18-Jan-20 13:29:57

The why trisher do you defend the Sussex’s ?

A gift of jewellery from a husband is no different to a gift from a designer of jewellery? What rubbish.

MawB Sat 18-Jan-20 13:26:49

message tickingbird Sat 18-Jan-20 10:50:42
Anniebach Opening suitcases on Deal or No Deal was one of her previous jobs

That should have come in useful during the Brexit Deal/No Deal negotiations gringrin .

trisher Sat 18-Jan-20 13:21:19

But it has exactly the same effect so Kate has an eternity ring from W. And -from hello
The band is made by London designer Annoushka, set with 0.23 cara^ts of brilliant-cut diamonds. And, unlike her engagement ring, it isn’t completely priceless - in fact, you can actually get the exact same ring yourself from the Annoushka website for £1,200.^
It's absolutely ridiculous that so many worship the RF but are prepared to turn on someone whilst ignoring the realities of the lifestyle.
Annie I believe you are a Christian. I'm not but at least I recognise greed when I see it , in myself as well as in others.
tickingbird The RF has expanded so much in the last 50 years. There are no roles in colonial countries for the extended family as there used to be. Something has to change. Personally I'd chuck the lot of them out and make them get a proper job. But at least MM has tried to find some other way. Why don't they all renounce the titles. PA linked with a paedophile. PC supported a bishop accused of abuse and housed him after his imprisonment. They aren't the dream family.

Callistemon Sat 18-Jan-20 13:12:16

acquiring stuff

So you don't agree with striving to buy a house, comfortable furniture, white goods, a car, a relaxing holiday, clothes, toys for the children etc etc is necessary?
You could be right.
After all we don't really need any of that stuff.
Just a room or two, a wooden chair, a bed and sufficient clothes to keep us warm.

tickingbird Sat 18-Jan-20 13:08:46

Trisher it’s not about greed. It’s about being a member of the RF or not as the case may be. I think it’s another slap in the face for the Queen. She wore it knowing it would be reported. She knows, as a member of the RF, it’s not allowed. Why doesn’t she just renounce the title, save the Queen the trouble and get on with it? Sussexroyal would become obsolete then though and the millions wouldn’t roll in. Who’s greedy?

Anniebach Sat 18-Jan-20 13:04:24

Then as you suffer from greed trisher best not to condemn
Kate for accepting inherited jewellery from her husbands
grandmother.

Big difference to accepting family jewellery from a grandmother to accepting jewellery from a designer of jewellery

Callistemon Sat 18-Jan-20 13:01:00

Gifts worth over £3,000 in any one year are counted for inheritance purposes within the 7 year limit.

Not that my dear MIL ever had £3,000 to give away in the form of gifts.

trisher Sat 18-Jan-20 12:57:59

Your MIL giving you a gift is not an inheritance by the way there is a difference. But do I think we all suffer from greed?- undoubtedly.How can we not? Our whole society is built on the premise that owning and having more is something to be desired. That's greed. Does it being happiness?- not necessarily
And as for the lives of my DCs and DGCs if I thought they believed that owning more and more would bring real happiness I would really worry for them. As it is I think they know that there are other priorities in life than simply aquiring stuff.
And yes I do not approve of the RF. I think it's much more logical to condemn greed in all its forms than to pick on a single person and castigate her while ignoring the rest.

Anniebach Sat 18-Jan-20 12:30:00

A republican is going to attack anything the royals do

Callistemon Sat 18-Jan-20 12:29:06

let's give them Anmer Hall as well

Then they came for my house .....

Opal Sat 18-Jan-20 12:26:46

Trisher you DID state upthread Does it really matter if the designer or your MIL gives you a gift? The result is the same and it is all greed and privilege So you ARE saying inheriting anything is greed. I'm not sure how else the rest of us are meant to interpret your comments other than inheritance = greed. And as I said before, that's just bulls**t.

Anniebach Sat 18-Jan-20 12:26:29

Amner Hall and Highgrove are privately owned. Frogmore is
not.

H & M should buy their own property now they want out.

maddyone Sat 18-Jan-20 12:25:54

Good idea Tickingbird.

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