Robbie Williams and surrogacy

X posts Galaxy I’m losing the will to live.

We had four C, and I was desperate for a fifth. Eight years of operations, drugs and despair, if I could have used a surrogate I would have.

The overall yearning for a child is all consuming, last thing I thought of at night, during the night and first thing in the morning. Eight years later and when I had given up all hope I was pregnant.

Dismissing Ayda as "rich and entitled" is very unkind as you do not know her.

I take it it’s just me we bang on the drum as an over populated world we shout loud stop as we are destroying our planet . But the rich choose not to have or can’t have there own kids so they pay people to have them is this not wrong in an over populated world yes we have a right to choose but think of what’s happening today floods famine disease under our noses but again we aren’t sorting this out we are throwing money at the wrong things when is it going to stop

As for your disapproval of gay men and babies - can you imagine how sad it must be for them to be condemned never to be fathers? Or maybe you just don't approve of the gay thing all round.

Yawn
This is about woman and babies.
I disaprove of rich couples who rent womens bodys.
Yes even if they're gay...

Recent science shows that some DNA of the mother transfers to the child in the womb and vice versa - the literal meaning of blood ties between the baby and the person that carries it.

Also, a baby can hear voices from those around it, and becomes accustomed to the rhythm of the mother’s heartbeat, and no doubt digestive noises as well! It hears the music it’s mother listens to ( or coronation street etc! - you may ban your children from watching certain tv programmes but a baby in the womb hears the voices and picks up any fear or hatred in the voices or background sounds).
Imagine a new born baby taken away from every sound that has become familiar to it during its life, (sound being the only sense from outside the womb that it can experience to any great extent) this is a further trauma to add to that of emerging from a tunnel into a brightly lit noisy, unfamiliar world. . Personally I think that other than in exceptional circumstances, it is vain and selfish to use a surrogate. If you don’t want to carry a child, go without or adopt.

GG no one is entitled to buy another woman’s uterus and the more of their own babies they’ve had the more I judge them negatively.

Adoptions are almost always open these days if it is at all possible. Because it is well known that closed adoptions cause lifelong problems.

That doesnt mean all adopted people have terrible lives but it is very very well researched that infant separation from the birth mother has lifelong effects. Effects which can be partially mitigated by knowing about and acknowledging and if possible visiting the birth family

The way the Dalys used surrogacy goes against all of that. Claiming they are the only parents and the child has no mother. Its damaging and selfish.

There was far more to my life in my fertile years than an all consuming desire to keep on having children and that goes for all the women I know.

Starbird that’s exactly the scenario I mention in my earlier post. The surrogate baby recognised its birth mother’s voice.

When you think that the baby in the womb would also have heard its siblings voices throughout pregnancy, it does you wonder how disoriented the newborn child must have been when these things are suddenly gone.

make you wonder.

Adoption is also a very last resort now. We have learnt from the past re adoption, but mustnt apply the same science to surrogacy because it means you hate gays

A uterus isnt just a bit of kit. Gestation afftects the mother and child. Physically, genetically, emitionally

SueDonim sorry when it gets to 10 pages I don’t read all the previous posts.
You are so right about siblings voices too, and pets!

So homosexuals in a marriage or civil partnership are using
women

If they go for surrogacy yes annie they are. In life, you can’t always get what you want. Sad but true.

*So homosexuals in a marriage or civil partnership are using
women*

Lots of homosexuals dont. Lesbians rarely opt for surrogacy

The Dalys however not only rented a womb, but then went on to deny that the child ever had a "mother"

Lesbians can get pregnant and give birth

My precious adopted grandchildren came from a seriously damaging, criminal and exploitative background. They are not the GC they would have been if DS and DdiL had been able to conceive them but we love them and support them, knowing that they are infinitely better off than if left with their birth family. Not all birth families are a good thing!

Notanan2 specifically about how traumatic adoption is etc. That is rubbish, much more traumatic to be an unwanted or abused child.

Lesbians can get pregnant and give birth
Lesbians are as likely as anyone else to be infertile
Lesbians are as likely as anyone else to have physical damage from previous pregnancies that makes them reluctant to carry again

One step away from an artificial womb. I wonder what the baby would hear? Absolute silence, the hum of machinery? Would that affect development I wonder? We should not experiment on babies.

That’s ok, Starbird, this is a busy thread! I was just interested in what you had to say.

Notanan2 specifically about how traumatic adoption is etc. That is rubbish

Its medical scientific fact backed up by a huge body of research which guides best practice re adoption being a last resort AND being as open as possible.

But okay..

Not all birth families are a good thing!
Nobody said they are BUT
evidence based best practice says that even birth families that cannot keep the baby, the family should be acknowledged and the child should have contact even if that has to be via a closed post box system or at supervised contact centres

Its also widely accepted now that sperm doners should be "known" not closed and children should be told where they come from and have the option to contact.

The person who gestated the child matters. You cant just draw a line undee that at birth

Wasn’t the law changed re anonymity of sperm donors?