Points system for immigrants from next year

Quite agree Hetty58

Other countries have had points systems quite sucessfully, for decades. Therefore we could do the same. We should be paying care staff and agricultural workers decent wages anyway.

GillT57
I can explain the difference between now and 45 plus years ago.

Years ago, people came to do specific jobs ie pick fruit and veg then at the end of the season go home or move on to another country where there is work. Indeed, between college and Uni grape picking in Italy, earn a bit of cash was the thing to do. Nowadays, the pickers can bring their families who then demand homes and also because of low wage, tax credits and so it goes on. Here in Portugal we have noted that the country are bringing in pickers from India, S E Asian counties etc. Why? The pickers from here are all over Europe living and picking there because they can earn more. Something, somewhere has gone terribly wrong.

Barmyoldbat its ok a poster explained what had happened.
no apology needed, but thank you

Greta our own money back lol no thanks we are out of the EU now.

Pinkquartz I have been away for a few days,, caring, and this is my first chance I have to apologies to you for using your name in my post instead of Quizqueen. Sorry,

I still stand by what I said but should have said Quizqueen
was a rude person etc. I am very happy to see that her awful post has been deleted.

Tony Blair signed up to the E.U. directive something or other that decreed no dredging of canals and leaving rivers to silt up naturally at the edges to certain levels. Perhaps all this eco meddling has contributed to the mess we now find ourselves in regards flooding. So much for wanting their money to clear it up! Maybe this is why we now get more floods? Bad housekeeping.

FYI: "seems legit" means Lol!

What will we miss about the EU? Cheap flow of drones? I think they have that covered with global supplies.

Crop pickers? - they have special credit toward the points system.

Free movement towards our slum housing - Yes the big wigs will facillitate that too.
Why the sandy ladygarden?
No change actually...move along.. nothing to see here...

Getting "some" of our own cash back...seems legit.

Oh well, Firecracker123, if there won't be any crops that would be rather disastrous. But then we might qualify for aid under the EU Solidarity Fund scheme. This is the scheme that gives support to disaster-stricken regions in Europe. But no – we prefer to manage our own affairs. After all, that's what we voted for, no more interference from the EU.

Don't worry after Storm Ciara and Storm Dennis there won't be any crops to pick.

I lived in a rural crop-growing area for 20 years. The farmers employed foreign nationals, mainly Spaniards, over the picking season. Plus a handful of local students.

The farmers relied on them and still do.

And you have been out and about, up and down the country, checking this out for yourself ananimous? ???

Honestly, I do not see our crops rotting at all, anywhere in the UK.

Crop pickers haven't been "local" in decades here ,The population around the berry growing area is tiny.The workforce just isn't available.Our berries are renowned world wide and they will rot on the bushes without the EU workers who come in at the start of the season and go home at the end of it .Johnston and the WM government will be happy to see Scottish produce die .They're doing to us what they did to colonies ,only we're supposed to be a partner not a colony

Crop pickers were locals up until 2004.
Fact.

Big business getting us to subsidize their profits with working tax credits etc.

Good times!

The crop pickers from the EU are usually provided with accommodation to live in on the farm so they come over for the season live in and then go back home. I expect that this is the reason many of our own people don't want to do the job, either you have to take a bus which is a joke or run a car which is expensive. You live in London and you need to go the Kent to pick the crops how do you do it without living in.

As for the care workers, well I have jut come back from a 3 day stay with my daughter while the house is being decorating and I can't praise the care staff enough. The manager even did a shift of 1 hours today.

Also there are nurses claiming tax credits, mu own gd, a caseworker claims, even the staff at the job centre or whatever they call it claim tax credits. So something is wrong somewhere and I don't think we can blame it on seasonal workers.

His dad, I believe is about to sell one of their homes for 2.5 million? Tough old life

It really does look like deliberate destruction of the care service. Is that the plan for care Johnson said he had?

As he hasn't been seen recently I expect he and his little friend are working on the budget. Perhaps he is working out a way to tell us that in his world there is no need for care. Miraculously, all will be well. Who knows.

The next general election will sort out the wheat from the chaff.

I'm very excited to be able to hold my MP's feet to the fire, finally.

Hey there pinkquartz, I want to be crystal clear, I know, because I have done care work! I rather naively thought I could perhaps be helpful and meet a few people and so on. What I discovered about the industry was horryfying.

I hope it achieves its objectives of bringing more people into employment but there are not that many unemployed anyway. Many long term unemployed have serious mental health issues, addiction issues, literacy issues and are very difficult for businesses to manage or train. Are we going tp pay employers to take on 'hard to place' staff?

I would love it if these new rules meant employers would need to raise salaries to a living wage. No one can live on £8 an hour. But I doubt it.

If you read the paper there are so many possible exceptions that it is unlikely the policy will reduce immigration by much. This points based policy has been in place for non EU immigrants since 2008 and non EU immigration is higher than EU immigration.

The new policy lowers the bar for non EU immigrants so even if it reduces the EU component it is highly likely that immigration from India, Pakistan , Middle east will increase.

This just looks like bluster from Johnson to appease part of his support but is unlikely to increase employment or wages for British citizens.

Greymar

I wanted it to be crystal clear that the carer is not choosing it to be this way.

Everyone deserves more than 15 rushed minutes

I'm not sure who has said they wouldn't work picking fruit and veg.
For a start, the benefits system doesn't allow someone to hang around waiting for a job they want to do, so they would be sanctioned if they turned down a job.