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What can we agree on?

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suziewoozie Thu 27-Feb-20 13:46:21

I wish granny but we don’t. Really we don’t

grannyactivist Thu 27-Feb-20 13:23:41

Well no one has responded in a negative way to the actual points I raised, so hopefully these are things that Gransnetters do agree on. smile

MaizieD Thu 27-Feb-20 12:40:33

Looking at your list, grannyactivist I'm minded of part of a comment made to me on twitter only yesterday:

It just blows my mind the mental gymnastics people will go through...

Individuals may have these values but it doesn't seem to stop them supporting parties that don't. It makes it very difficult to respect them. (Not sure if that quite conveys what I am trying to express)

I'm afraid that I have, over the few years that I've been posting on Gnet, seen a number of attempts to work around more philosophical ideas die a death because very, very few people contribute to them.

paddyanne Thu 27-Feb-20 12:29:55

Sadly I agree with suzie there are folk on this site who will never agree that poverty isn't self inflicted .Thats not to say they are bad people just misinformed and they won't budge from their stance .
Brexit is another one where opinions are set in stone best avoid if you dont want to get dragged in to a battle

suziewoozie Thu 27-Feb-20 12:22:53

This partly picks up on something Maizie and me have brought up recently. I applaud your good intentions but honestly don’t think GN is capable of having this type of discussion in any meaningful way. Looking at your bullet points, I can’t see one which would garner universal or even majority agreement across the political spectrum represented on GN. I may be wrong but this has all the makings of a bun fight.

grannyactivist Thu 27-Feb-20 12:16:32

I sometimes get frustrated when threads become centred on what our differences are, rather than on our shared values. This is especially evident, understandably, on the overtly political threads.

There are things that I think we can all agree on and outlining these things can help us to find common ground as a starter for re-thinking how, as a society and within communities, we can address some of the problems we see around us; particularly problems relating to poverty.

I run a homelessness charity and I get huge amounts of support from people right across the political spectrum, so I know that personal politics need not (and in my own experience does not) limit people's willingness to try to make a difference.

So, what can we agree on? What I note from the people who support my project are:

*That we share values of compassion and justice.
*That we acknowledge we all rely on public services in some way and that people who are struggling may need additional help.
*That as a society and a community we care about people and we have a moral duty to look out for each other.
*That although the economy can restrict people’s options, it can also be adapted or changed.
*That our social security system can be improved to release people from the restrictions the economy places on them.
*That people (almost anyone) can be drawn into poverty, by circumstances such as poor health, low wages, relationship breakdown, redundancy or increasing living costs.

I think (hope) that if we focus on these shared themes there would be a surprising amount of agreement.