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grannyactivist Thu 27-Feb-20 12:16:32

I sometimes get frustrated when threads become centred on what our differences are, rather than on our shared values. This is especially evident, understandably, on the overtly political threads.

There are things that I think we can all agree on and outlining these things can help us to find common ground as a starter for re-thinking how, as a society and within communities, we can address some of the problems we see around us; particularly problems relating to poverty.

I run a homelessness charity and I get huge amounts of support from people right across the political spectrum, so I know that personal politics need not (and in my own experience does not) limit people's willingness to try to make a difference.

So, what can we agree on? What I note from the people who support my project are:

*That we share values of compassion and justice.
*That we acknowledge we all rely on public services in some way and that people who are struggling may need additional help.
*That as a society and a community we care about people and we have a moral duty to look out for each other.
*That although the economy can restrict people’s options, it can also be adapted or changed.
*That our social security system can be improved to release people from the restrictions the economy places on them.
*That people (almost anyone) can be drawn into poverty, by circumstances such as poor health, low wages, relationship breakdown, redundancy or increasing living costs.

I think (hope) that if we focus on these shared themes there would be a surprising amount of agreement.

suziewoozie Thu 27-Feb-20 12:22:53

This partly picks up on something Maizie and me have brought up recently. I applaud your good intentions but honestly don’t think GN is capable of having this type of discussion in any meaningful way. Looking at your bullet points, I can’t see one which would garner universal or even majority agreement across the political spectrum represented on GN. I may be wrong but this has all the makings of a bun fight.

paddyanne Thu 27-Feb-20 12:29:55

Sadly I agree with suzie there are folk on this site who will never agree that poverty isn't self inflicted .Thats not to say they are bad people just misinformed and they won't budge from their stance .
Brexit is another one where opinions are set in stone best avoid if you dont want to get dragged in to a battle

MaizieD Thu 27-Feb-20 12:40:33

Looking at your list, grannyactivist I'm minded of part of a comment made to me on twitter only yesterday:

It just blows my mind the mental gymnastics people will go through...

Individuals may have these values but it doesn't seem to stop them supporting parties that don't. It makes it very difficult to respect them. (Not sure if that quite conveys what I am trying to express)

I'm afraid that I have, over the few years that I've been posting on Gnet, seen a number of attempts to work around more philosophical ideas die a death because very, very few people contribute to them.

grannyactivist Thu 27-Feb-20 13:23:41

Well no one has responded in a negative way to the actual points I raised, so hopefully these are things that Gransnetters do agree on. smile

suziewoozie Thu 27-Feb-20 13:46:21

I wish granny but we don’t. Really we don’t

GrandmaMoira Thu 27-Feb-20 13:51:39

I certainly agree with all your points Grannyactivist but am not sure that everyone does.

suziewoozie Thu 27-Feb-20 13:54:38

I tried once to debate the difference between justice, morality and the law. It didn’t get far.

rosenoir Thu 27-Feb-20 14:41:10

I am of the opinion that there are a few members that just like to disagree ,they are never positive or light hearted.I assume they are angry bitter people in life and doubt they have any friends.

Be interesting to see how they can disagree with the points you have made.

suziewoozie Thu 27-Feb-20 14:56:13

You see granny the post by rose is exactly what I mean by starting a bunfight. She seems to think that she can just label people as angry and bitter and doubts they have any friends. This thread is just a complete and utter non starter. I think I’ll go and take my ? with me.

ananimous Thu 27-Feb-20 15:17:04

grannyactivist
I agree.
It's heartening to read a thread such as this on GN.

Time for truces, respect, and an understanding that the written word is often given far too an intense interpretation.

Some have admitted their hostility is medically linked, so I am wary of communicating with them.

Elegran Thu 27-Feb-20 15:23:29

Suzie But it is true that some people just are angry and bitter, and find a reason to sneer about anything at all. That is also true in real life, where people speak face-to-face, so even more so on an anonymous online site.

suziewoozie Thu 27-Feb-20 15:27:33

But that’s not the point is it ?

suziewoozie Thu 27-Feb-20 15:28:05

Anyway, I’m supposed to have gone

Greymar Thu 27-Feb-20 15:32:49

That people (almost anyone) can be drawn into poverty

lead balloon anyone?

lavenderzen Thu 27-Feb-20 15:33:16

I agree grannyactivist. Thank you for the post.

ananimous Thu 27-Feb-20 15:36:16

(@MaisieD Looking at your list, grannyactivist I'm minded of part of a comment made to me on twitter only yesterday:

*It just blows my mind the mental gymnastics people will go through...*)

This is a great example:-

Zero to do with grannyactivist's thread post.

Another mental summersault...

If you look hard enough for offense, you shall certainly find some.

ananimous Thu 27-Feb-20 15:37:49

Live and let live, life is short.

Elegran Thu 27-Feb-20 15:38:40

I think we agree on your points, grannyactivist, though there may well be future posts cavilling at the optimism of trying to make a difference - for some it is more fun to dwell pessimistically on differences than to celebrate common aims and work together to achieve them.

kittylester Thu 27-Feb-20 15:39:18

The sort of post I expect from you ga and I applaud it. Thank you. I agree with all your points.

Elegran, well said.

AGAA4 Thu 27-Feb-20 15:43:29

I have to say thanks to people like grannyactivist who help the homeless. I agree with all the points made.

tickingbird Thu 27-Feb-20 15:57:01

I think it’s a great OP GA and there really isn’t any reason for it to descend into a bunfight. We should all be mindful of others who, for whatever reason, are less well off either financially, physically or mentally. Perhaps, if one can’t find anything positive to say better to move on.

Daisymae Thu 27-Feb-20 16:18:16

Agree with everything that the OP says. I think that if a post is unnecessarily argumentative or personal it's best to move on and ignore it. You can't have a row with yourself!

Greta Thu 27-Feb-20 16:28:25

The six points are valid but my sticking point is that even if we agree with the list it will not mean much if our leaders have their own agenda and that agenda does not agree.

I don't think, to quote: "... it is more fun to dwell pessimistically on differences than to celebrate common aims and work together to achieve them." Many people are neither pessimists or optimists; they are realists.

Grannyactivist, I'm sure your charity work is both needed and valued.

rosecarmel Thu 27-Feb-20 16:49:39

Living in poverty can involve a lot of hard work, the type of work that not everyone readily understands but is capable of understanding through empathy and compassion-

Below is an excerpt from an article in the Huffpost:

"While engaging a homeless person, you can still hold onto a sense of separation. If you enter a soup kitchen, you will see things that you typically do not see: people who haven’t showered for days or men who are drunk and arguing with each other at 6 a.m. If you get wrapped up in thinking, “All men should be clean and sober and polite” or, “Society should offer jobs and rehab for these men,” you will get overwhelmed, drowning in sadness or anger. Your thoughts about how the world should be are separating you from the experience of what is in front of you.

But what happens if you sit down next to one of the men and engage openly in conversation? You may find that the man could help you with your calculus homework because he has a Ph.D. in mathematics. He may offer some valuable insight regarding your interactions with your parents. He may share his happiness about discovering a new Jazz musician or his sadness because a friend just died of AIDS."