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watermeadow Mon 16-Mar-20 20:35:20

So we old people should be staying home, isolated, for 12 weeks.
I understand that this government has decimated the NHS and knows it can’t cope with millions of sick old people but this advice is not realistic.
I’m used to spending most of my time alone and have family nearby to help but 3 months of solitary confinement would drive me bonkers. Many others, with fewer resources, could be found dead because they ran out of food or money for the meter or the will to live.
Do you intend to spend that long cut off from humanity?

Teacheranne Tue 17-Mar-20 01:44:23

Good luck to anyone who can teach my mum, age 87 with dementia, to use modern technology to keep in touch! Also woe betide anyone who comes between her and her daily visit to the local shop to buy a load of rubbish!

fatgran57 Tue 17-Mar-20 00:29:45

Trying not to go out much and thought that as we only need repeat prescriptions from the doctor we would not have to make an appointment - we though dr could write out prescriptions and someone could pick them up for us.

Rang surgery but flat "No" we have to go in.

Seems really stupid that we have to both see our doctors, sit in waiting room for Lord knows how long just for a 2 minute appointment.

Then have to wait in chemist, always busy, shoulder to shoulder with lots of other people.

We are trying to do the right thing as are the children - they are doing all child care for our grandchildren to keep us from risk so having to go out to the next town for doctors seems unnecessary.

suziewoozie Tue 17-Mar-20 00:25:46

Useful summary (DH website)

Callistemon Mon 16-Mar-20 23:49:06

I was trying to save the baked beans until I was desperate, Gabriella

Will yogurt pots do just as well?
I may need them on Sunday.

GabriellaG54 Mon 16-Mar-20 23:40:18

Thanks for that BlueSky ??

BlueSky Mon 16-Mar-20 23:38:17

Thanks Suzie a very comprehensive list.

GabriellaG54 Mon 16-Mar-20 23:36:44

I think the message is that it's ok to have a few visitors but keep your distance.
No hugs or kisses and at least 2 metres distance between you and other people.
Two empty baked bean tins and a length of string ought to do it.

BlueSky Mon 16-Mar-20 23:33:14

Good sensible post Gabriella we need some common sense reassurance as well as stark frightening facts. Thank you thanks

suziewoozie Mon 16-Mar-20 23:19:53

This is what the Department of Health posted tonight on twitter several hours after the press conference. I expect it’s also on its main web site. There was certainly confusion around after the press conference and contradictory reports and interpretations by various media outlets. I think the statement is clear now as to what they recommend. Now it’s up to individuals what they do

‘We are advising those who are at increased risk of severe illness from coronavirus (COVID-19) to be particularly stringent in following social distancing measures.
This group includes those who are:

aged 70 or older (regardless of medical conditions)
under 70 with an underlying health condition listed below (ie anyone instructed to get a flu jab as an adult each year on medical grounds):
chronic (long-term) respiratory diseases, such as asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), emphysema or bronchitis
chronic heart disease, such as heart failure
chronic kidney disease
chronic liver disease, such as hepatitis
chronic neurological conditions, such as Parkinson’s disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis (MS), a learning disability or cerebral palsy
diabetes
problems with your spleen – for example, sickle cell disease or if you have had your spleen removed
a weakened immune system as the result of conditions such as HIV and AIDS, or medicines such as steroid tablets or chemotherapy
being seriously overweight (a BMI of 40 or above)
those who are pregnant
Note: there are some clinical conditions which put people at even higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19. If you are in this category, next week the NHS in England will directly contact you with advice the more stringent measures you should take in order to keep yourself and others safe. For now, you should rigorously follow the social distancing advice in full, outlined below.

People falling into this group are those who may be at particular risk due to complex health problems such as:

People who have received an organ transplant and remain on ongoing immunosuppression medication
People with cancer who are undergoing active chemotherapy or radiotherapy
People with cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia who are at any stage of treatment
People with severe chest conditions such as cystic fibrosis or severe asthma (requiring hospital admissions or courses of steroid tablets)
People with severe diseases of body systems, such as severe kidney disease (dialysis)
What is social distancing?
Social distancing measures are steps you can take to reduce the social interaction between people. This will help reduce the transmission of coronavirus (COVID-19).

They are:

Avoid contact with someone who is displaying symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19). These symptoms include high temperature and/or new and continuous cough;
Avoid non-essential use of public transport, varying your travel times to avoid rush hour, when possible; 3.Work from home, where possible. Your employer should support you to do this. Please refer to employer guidance for more information;
Avoid large gatherings, and gatherings in smaller public spaces such as pubs, cinemas, restaurants, theatres, bars, clubs
Avoid gatherings with friends and family. Keep in touch using remote technology such as phone, internet, and social media.
Use telephone or online services to contact your GP or other essential services.
Everyone should be trying to follow these measures as much as is pragmatic.

For those who are over 70, have an underlying health condition or are pregnant, we strongly advise you to follow the above measures as much as you can, and to significantly limit your face-to-face interaction with friends and family if possible.

This advice is likely to be in place for some weeks.’

M0nica Mon 16-Mar-20 23:07:09

Our visiters will socially distance for a week before coming to see us. DD may well stay with us for much of the time, once she has social distanced for a week from everyone at her own home first.

MissAdventure Mon 16-Mar-20 23:04:43

I always have it, because of working shifts.
Nothing worse than getting home exhausted after 12.5 hours to find the milk has gone off, or some selfish sod has drunk it all. Or drank. Delete as applicable.

lemongrove Mon 16-Mar-20 23:00:04

Actually MissA, it would be a good idea to have some in the cupboard ( even though I haven’t bought any since 1975).

MissAdventure Mon 16-Mar-20 22:56:50

I don't mind coffee mate or cheaper equivalent; it's not even bad in tea.

lemongrove Mon 16-Mar-20 22:56:18

Well, it sounds good to me?

GracesGranMK3 Mon 16-Mar-20 22:55:29

More useful information:

GracesGranMK3 Mon 16-Mar-20 22:52:17

Gabriella is right, and we shall do much the same.

You're going to drink only Cornish Gold, sold only in M&S. Lemongrove?

Bathsheba Mon 16-Mar-20 22:51:35

I agree with Gabriella here. The worry, however, is that some people are asymptomatic, and others, as Luckygirl has said, who are incubating the disease will not have symptoms for several days. These people have no idea they are infectious - they could be one of the 'friends and family' that are visiting, and no amount of handwashing on arrival will make a jot of difference.

Luckygirl Mon 16-Mar-20 22:41:34

I think the problem is that we do not know who is incubating the disease and already infectious. So seeing family who are out and about and at risk of contracting the virus is not as safe as we might wish it to be. It is all a huge challenge.

I get quite irritated when they interview people on the news who are just shrugging their shoulders about it all and intending to carry on as normal. Do they really think that all these measures in so many countries are nonsense?

lemongrove Mon 16-Mar-20 22:36:52

Gabriella is right, and we shall do much the same.?

GracesGranMK3 Mon 16-Mar-20 22:33:38

This may help.

M0nica Mon 16-Mar-20 22:29:04

The phrase now being used is minimal social contact. Social isolation only applies if someone has the virus or may have it and is only for a fortnight.

Iceland is just the first of several shops that are having early morning opening ours reserved for the over 70s. I suspect it will be come nearly universal.

I have decided to shop first thing in the morning once a week at the supermarket. DH will buy his paper each day at a quiet time. We will follow all precautions and probably wear latex gloves when shopping.

So no-one will need to stay isolated in their home with no social contact for three months. Gabriella is right, you can see your family, but possibly not any children if they are well and no-one they have socialised with is ill.

Our DS is still coming down for a few days at Easter, but without his family. He is working from home and will not come if he has had any contact with anyone who is unwell.

GabriellaG54 Mon 16-Mar-20 22:10:59

Very few people buy the milk I buy, Cornish Gold, sold only in M&S. I have 3 X 1 ltr bottles twice a week. Very creamy and £1.30 a bottle. Delish.

Charleygirl5 Mon 16-Mar-20 21:52:46

Good luck buying milk Niobe where I live I can see me drinking black coffee soon because Sweetex is also out of stock and I do not possess sugar.

MissAdventure Mon 16-Mar-20 21:50:57

I was told today that Iceland (the shop, not the place!) is going to open for 2 hours a day just for vulnerable people to shop.
It'll still be open for everyone else at other times, but those hours will be a bit shorter to accommodate the 2 hours.

Niobe Mon 16-Mar-20 21:46:24

I think that Gabriella has just summed it up perfectly.

We have enough food to last a couple of weeks if needed , we will not be eating out for the foreseeable future and I will try to shop only once a week for milk, bread, fruit and veg. We will avoid public transport until the crisis is over.