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watermeadow Mon 16-Mar-20 20:35:20

So we old people should be staying home, isolated, for 12 weeks.
I understand that this government has decimated the NHS and knows it can’t cope with millions of sick old people but this advice is not realistic.
I’m used to spending most of my time alone and have family nearby to help but 3 months of solitary confinement would drive me bonkers. Many others, with fewer resources, could be found dead because they ran out of food or money for the meter or the will to live.
Do you intend to spend that long cut off from humanity?

EllanVannin Mon 16-Mar-20 20:43:37

Better than the alternative ?

Doorstop Mon 16-Mar-20 21:00:45

Just looked at the Daily Mirror and it says over 70’s in good health must reduce social contact, the over 70’s with a health condition must stay home and not go out for 12 weeks, these people will be contacted by the NHS. All very confusing. Going to hibernate!

GabriellaG54 Mon 16-Mar-20 21:29:22

watermeadow
A beautiful username...however, please don't get down about the conflicting news re self isolation.
You can still go out, walk your dog, see friends, family, do your shopping etc.
We're asked not to go to big meetings, cinema, events, pubs and places where there might be people in close proximity to ourselves.
If you go to family or they visit you, either ring and check with them first that they are healthy, no cough, sniffs, colds, sore throat, high temp etc and that they wash hands thoroughly right after coming into your house, at least 30 seconds with proper soap (Palmolive or coal tar is best) and you do the same when visiting them.
Shop either very early or last minute, or ring shop and ask when is least busy time as probably the busiest is right after a delivery.
Facts are (as of 2 hrs ago) you can be sensible as to going out but keep away from populated areas and people who have been told to self isolate due to feeling unwell but not yet diagnosed with Covid-19.
Just sensible home hygiene and personally. I would never eat out as you don't know how rigorous the cleaning is in these cafes. Some are good and some small or even larger places might not clean tables or even cutlery/crockery thoroughly, especially places like Harvester or that type of eaterie where you help yourself.
Do try not to panic. My 5 AC and the wider family live more than 100 miles away from me but I trust that they are looking after themselves just as I will look after myself.
We all want to live to see another day, month, year...
We're lucky to have GN where our fears can be discussed and you are not alone, on any day at any time.
Best wishes 💐
Gabriella x

GabriellaG54 Mon 16-Mar-20 21:40:07

The BBC is also putting back to August, the change in TV licensing and over 400 organisations have sprung up in the UK to help people who need help with anything from shopping to lifts to appointments, all free.
Some are putting leaflets through doors in their neighbourhood with contact details if help available, even if you just want a chat with them.
These are local people who want to help.
Nil desperandum 👍😁

GabriellaG54 Mon 16-Mar-20 21:41:05

of help, not if help

GracesGranMK3 Mon 16-Mar-20 21:43:07

The numbers have gone up on the modelling so they need to shield those most likely to succumb to the wretched virus. It may have to go on for more than 12 weeks - until we get a vaccine. However, we have to make it work.

The Daily Mirror seems to be more pointed in its instructions than Mr Johnson although he did look a bit shattered so perhaps he had just read the new modelling.

Niobe Mon 16-Mar-20 21:46:24

I think that Gabriella has just summed it up perfectly.

We have enough food to last a couple of weeks if needed , we will not be eating out for the foreseeable future and I will try to shop only once a week for milk, bread, fruit and veg. We will avoid public transport until the crisis is over.

MissAdventure Mon 16-Mar-20 21:50:57

I was told today that Iceland (the shop, not the place!) is going to open for 2 hours a day just for vulnerable people to shop.
It'll still be open for everyone else at other times, but those hours will be a bit shorter to accommodate the 2 hours.

Charleygirl5 Mon 16-Mar-20 21:52:46

Good luck buying milk Niobe where I live I can see me drinking black coffee soon because Sweetex is also out of stock and I do not possess sugar.

GabriellaG54 Mon 16-Mar-20 22:10:59

Very few people buy the milk I buy, Cornish Gold, sold only in M&S. I have 3 X 1 ltr bottles twice a week. Very creamy and £1.30 a bottle. Delish.

M0nica Mon 16-Mar-20 22:29:04

The phrase now being used is minimal social contact. Social isolation only applies if someone has the virus or may have it and is only for a fortnight.

Iceland is just the first of several shops that are having early morning opening ours reserved for the over 70s. I suspect it will be come nearly universal.

I have decided to shop first thing in the morning once a week at the supermarket. DH will buy his paper each day at a quiet time. We will follow all precautions and probably wear latex gloves when shopping.

So no-one will need to stay isolated in their home with no social contact for three months. Gabriella is right, you can see your family, but possibly not any children if they are well and no-one they have socialised with is ill.

Our DS is still coming down for a few days at Easter, but without his family. He is working from home and will not come if he has had any contact with anyone who is unwell.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 16-Mar-20 22:33:38

This may help.

lemongrove Mon 16-Mar-20 22:36:52

Gabriella is right, and we shall do much the same.😃

Luckygirl Mon 16-Mar-20 22:41:34

I think the problem is that we do not know who is incubating the disease and already infectious. So seeing family who are out and about and at risk of contracting the virus is not as safe as we might wish it to be. It is all a huge challenge.

I get quite irritated when they interview people on the news who are just shrugging their shoulders about it all and intending to carry on as normal. Do they really think that all these measures in so many countries are nonsense?

Bathsheba Mon 16-Mar-20 22:51:35

I agree with Gabriella here. The worry, however, is that some people are asymptomatic, and others, as Luckygirl has said, who are incubating the disease will not have symptoms for several days. These people have no idea they are infectious - they could be one of the 'friends and family' that are visiting, and no amount of handwashing on arrival will make a jot of difference.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 16-Mar-20 22:52:17

Gabriella is right, and we shall do much the same.

You're going to drink only Cornish Gold, sold only in M&S. Lemongrove?

GracesGranMK3 Mon 16-Mar-20 22:55:29

More useful information:

lemongrove Mon 16-Mar-20 22:56:18

Well, it sounds good to me😁

MissAdventure Mon 16-Mar-20 22:56:50

I don't mind coffee mate or cheaper equivalent; it's not even bad in tea.

lemongrove Mon 16-Mar-20 23:00:04

Actually MissA, it would be a good idea to have some in the cupboard ( even though I haven’t bought any since 1975).

MissAdventure Mon 16-Mar-20 23:04:43

I always have it, because of working shifts.
Nothing worse than getting home exhausted after 12.5 hours to find the milk has gone off, or some selfish sod has drunk it all. Or drank. Delete as applicable.

M0nica Mon 16-Mar-20 23:07:09

Our visiters will socially distance for a week before coming to see us. DD may well stay with us for much of the time, once she has social distanced for a week from everyone at her own home first.

suziewoozie Mon 16-Mar-20 23:19:53

This is what the Department of Health posted tonight on twitter several hours after the press conference. I expect it’s also on its main web site. There was certainly confusion around after the press conference and contradictory reports and interpretations by various media outlets. I think the statement is clear now as to what they recommend. Now it’s up to individuals what they do

‘We are advising those who are at increased risk of severe illness from coronavirus (COVID-19) to be particularly stringent in following social distancing measures.
This group includes those who are:

aged 70 or older (regardless of medical conditions)
under 70 with an underlying health condition listed below (ie anyone instructed to get a flu jab as an adult each year on medical grounds):
chronic (long-term) respiratory diseases, such as asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), emphysema or bronchitis
chronic heart disease, such as heart failure
chronic kidney disease
chronic liver disease, such as hepatitis
chronic neurological conditions, such as Parkinson’s disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis (MS), a learning disability or cerebral palsy
diabetes
problems with your spleen – for example, sickle cell disease or if you have had your spleen removed
a weakened immune system as the result of conditions such as HIV and AIDS, or medicines such as steroid tablets or chemotherapy
being seriously overweight (a BMI of 40 or above)
those who are pregnant
Note: there are some clinical conditions which put people at even higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19. If you are in this category, next week the NHS in England will directly contact you with advice the more stringent measures you should take in order to keep yourself and others safe. For now, you should rigorously follow the social distancing advice in full, outlined below.

People falling into this group are those who may be at particular risk due to complex health problems such as:

People who have received an organ transplant and remain on ongoing immunosuppression medication
People with cancer who are undergoing active chemotherapy or radiotherapy
People with cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia who are at any stage of treatment
People with severe chest conditions such as cystic fibrosis or severe asthma (requiring hospital admissions or courses of steroid tablets)
People with severe diseases of body systems, such as severe kidney disease (dialysis)
What is social distancing?
Social distancing measures are steps you can take to reduce the social interaction between people. This will help reduce the transmission of coronavirus (COVID-19).

They are:

Avoid contact with someone who is displaying symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19). These symptoms include high temperature and/or new and continuous cough;
Avoid non-essential use of public transport, varying your travel times to avoid rush hour, when possible; 3.Work from home, where possible. Your employer should support you to do this. Please refer to employer guidance for more information;
Avoid large gatherings, and gatherings in smaller public spaces such as pubs, cinemas, restaurants, theatres, bars, clubs
Avoid gatherings with friends and family. Keep in touch using remote technology such as phone, internet, and social media.
Use telephone or online services to contact your GP or other essential services.
Everyone should be trying to follow these measures as much as is pragmatic.

For those who are over 70, have an underlying health condition or are pregnant, we strongly advise you to follow the above measures as much as you can, and to significantly limit your face-to-face interaction with friends and family if possible.

This advice is likely to be in place for some weeks.’

BlueSky Mon 16-Mar-20 23:33:14

Good sensible post Gabriella we need some common sense reassurance as well as stark frightening facts. Thank you thanks