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Should GC go to contact visits to gather on lockdown ?

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Jaffacake2 Mon 23-Mar-20 22:18:10

I would welcome opinions please on our current family dilemma.
My daughter was left with 2 children nearly 2 years ago when her husband left the family home. They are separated ,not yet divorced. Children are 2yrs and 4 years old. They are with their father on weekends at his mother's home where he now lives.
Problem is ex husband will not communicate with my daughter,even when children have been ill. His mother is worse and will not speak at all unless being abusive to daughter. Now with the corona virus daughter has been observing social distance and staying at home to help protect children and herself from infection. But ex and his family will not say what they are doing for protection or to safeguard children's health.
Should the children still go to his place each weekend or should they stay based with their mother ?

ArtySue Tue 24-Mar-20 08:22:59

Jaffacake2, I do feel for you. I have been through similar. You have been given plenty of topical advice here so I won't add to that but would implore your daughter to get a court order when she can. My son went through hell with his abusive ex, with the child in the middle of it and awful malice being posted on Facebook about my son who had done nothing wrong. Once the courts sorted it there was a kind of peace because no-one could dispute the court's decision. Sorry, that's not for now, but meanwhile I send you a hug in this tricky situation.

Grandmafrench Tue 24-Mar-20 09:10:38

Sadly, we are now in very difficult times. For any absent Dad - with or without an Order or agreement in place - some access difficulties are now unavoidable. Unlikely, in a lockdown like this (and hopefully not a lockdown of many months ☹️) that the rules issued last night are going to deal with how separated families are going to ‘socialise’. Because socialising is what this is. ALL households mix only with their own households. Therefore no visiting other households for any reason.....otherwise the many sad Grans on here who are not high risk could carry on seeing little GC’s as their normal routine dictated! These are infant children who live - as they’ve always done - in the family home. Father moved out. He lives elsewhere. The rules now have not been created to pander to anyone’s former routine, likes or preferences. The Government is trying to save lives which is why everyone is distressed to some degree. He’s gone home to live with a harridan who clearly thinks the sun shines out of him and who has no concern at all for the Mother of her Grandchildren or the difficulties that her attitude will create - esp., when the children are older! She should not be spoken to. He should not be spoken to. There is no Order in place, so Mum should be prepared to resolve that as soon as life returns to normal. In the meantime, to save rows, stress and acrimony, she should write to the children’s Father, calmly, pointing out that the children will not be visiting anyone at all until the lockdown is over and that although she is concerned that the children’s rights of access must be curtailed for the moment, that she is determined (like the rest of the country) not to fall foul of the Government’s ruling, nor risk being fined for flouting what is now mandatory for all. In the meantime, she can maybe suggest Skyping or FaceTiming a few times over each weekend and if he accepts that, she’ll be more than happy to set it up and won’t doubt that the kids will be thrilled to do that! In the absence of that, she’s not prepared to get involved in arguments or lengthy correspondence, so he will need to contact a Solicitor and take advice as to obtaining an Order with regard to access.

Think of the rules now.....and the reasons why we can be out in public. Think of social distancing. Going to Solicitors offices for conversations/advice and hoping to start legal proceedings at the moment? I don’t think so. Just be calm, polite, firm, refuse to argue, sound reasonable and sensible and certainly don’t write anything you won’t be happy to see in Court documents when you are eventually able to apply for a formal Order which will document what has been agreed. Until then keep a copy of anything you write and don’t get into any conversation. Good luck !

Petalou44 Tue 24-Mar-20 09:34:05

The Family Courts always put the welfare of the child first. In this case, with the current crisis, your daughter would have no problem in convincing a Court that she is protecting her children from further exposure to the virus via their father's working practices.

SpanielNanny Tue 24-Mar-20 10:09:39

Micheal Gove has clarified this morning that there is an exemption in new guidelines, children under 18 are able to go between the homes of their parents.

Obviously there will be some circumstances where this isn’t possible. But they’re not prohibited from doing so by law.

Jaycee5 Tue 24-Mar-20 11:50:50

Now that Johnson has finally made a shutdown official, keeping them at their main home seems sensible and he can only challenge it when the courts return.
There are so many details that have to be ironed out when extreme circumstances occur.
People's priorities are really changing.