Perhaps Boris is not the best person........

I am gg13 assiduously.

Just refusing to believe the duplicitous PM.

Now is not the time for political point scoring or Covid-19 bingo!!!!

We have to listen to the advice from the science and medical officers and adhere to it.

I do wonder sometimes where you get your ‘reading’ from
WW ?
Do you remember how very surprised you were just before the GE that the Conservatives were polling well, when all you were ‘reading’ said exactly the opposite and that Labour would win.
You need to read widely to get a better view of the true picture.

Every day now I am reading from various pundits that Boris will soon be gone.

I’m a bit surprised, but it will be interesting to see what happens.

With regards to testing, I was unlucky enough to end up in A&E this week and asked the ambulance staff and A&E staff about testing and protective wear.

Their reaction?

They laughed.

I prefer to believe those at the work face rather than those who whilst undoubtedly are doing everything they can are only, when stood up at the No10 podiums, aware that they must protect the government line, for various reasons.

His bumbling manner reflects his bumbled thinking. This situation has not been handled well. Lack of PPE supplies, inadequate testing and lack of clarity on restrictions.

After listening to Jenny Harries very clear and sensible answers regarding testing at yesterday's press briefing the 'leaked revelations' from YTHFT are a bit of a wet lettuce surely?

World map of covid-19

ncov2019.live/

Another e-mail that didn’t get “lost” but certainly hit home. It was leaked from a Yorkshire trust. York Teaching Hospital Foundation Trust.

It reveals that

* the government instructed the trust not to test staff for cv even where there is inadequate protection.

*there is a national inadequacy of testing capacity

* Johnson lied when he claimed that testing was set to rise to 25000.

This particular Trust had NO testing capacity whatsoever. It was hoping it would be able to soon

*its outsourcing testing to Leeds is experiencing considerable delays

* when testing comes on line the trust only expects to have limited capacity to test front line staff as exception.

* they will only be able to test staff who have been ill in order for them to return to work, not to test “well” staff in order to,prevent the virus spreading.

Labaik, I didn’t watch the program, but it’s been reported more than a few times over the that few years that it would be “when”.

America is a different case. Some states have instituted shelter in place orders, and others have almost complete freedom of movement. It’s like their own EU. 50 countries rubbing along together. California is fully locked down, but others are not.

A friend in America has just told me they have complete freedom to do whatever they like, still.

Summerlove; did you watch the BBC4 Pandemic programme, too? I want to know what was in all the warehouses they showed containing medical supplies etc for a pandemic. And yes; as you pointed out, it was no 1 in the list of bad things that might happen although, as they pointed out it wasn't a case of 'if' but 'when'.

Did anyone see C4 News? The difference between the numbers in Italy and South Korea is amazing.

They started off the same and SK was rising quicker earlier on but then they plateaued and Italy continued up as we have seen. The difference was, apparently, that SK already had the test kits available, having learned from earlier escapee viruses from China. Why, in that case, couldn't we get the numbers up quicker I wonder?

This pandemic isn’t something that could ever have been prepared for, not by any country in the world.

A pandemic has been the highest on the threat assessment list in most countries for the last few years. They all failed to prepare. Things couldn’t have been prepared to exactly this pandemic, but things could have been better prepared.

To say otherwise is ignoring many, many facts.

Never mind the fact that we actually had three months notice. I still can’t figure out for the life of me what most countries did during that time.

'Have chickens come home to roost in Italy? Or Spain?'
….I don't understand what that means

We are talking about the U.K. changing the subject won’t cut it.

And you think the decision to go with a big donator to the Tory party to provide ventilators when they could have been obtained more cheaply and quicker from EU procurement Isn’t a political reason?

Oh yes I was asked and gave a donation to my hospital today.

Have chickens come home to roost in Italy? Or Spain?

I do believe the UK ( government)is doing all it can to alleviate problems for the people in every way it can, but of course if you prefer to think it isn’t ( mainly because of political reasons) that’s up to you.

You know; sometimes when people call for links/proof [as happened when I first mentioned this last week] they could just google it for themselves....

So, having read the link to the BBC lemongrove, what is your response?

The U.K. has long prepared for events such as this. It would have been a terrible derogation of any governments duty if it hadn’t.

The truth is that even if we had sufficient protective clothing we do not have sufficient staff to wear them.

Chickens have come home to roost after 10 years of warning, begging and worrying over what the Tories have done to the NHS..

When this crises is over there will be enquiries, nd what has happened during the past 10 years will have a significsnt impact on the final analyses.

Oh and by the way I have a post from my local hospital appealing for anything, even a box of rubber gloves. We knew it was coming and we are an island. 2 things which should have worked in our favour.

On Thursday Downing Street said "we are no longer members of the EU" as their excuse. WW2 you got the link in first, apologies, I'm a slow typer

What is this " aggrieved" thing? Nobody is an aggrieved left winger. We are individuals looking to the Prime Minister of the UK at a time of an absolute major crisis.

We look and what do we find?

apology accepted lemongrove . I don't recall saying that you wanted Boris as leader of the Conservative party, or that you thought he would be wonderful, please direct me to where I have? I said you would support Johnson no matter what and I stand by that to date. You have supported everything he has done so far. Your £100 is safe.
I don't care that he's not a great orator, I care that we are being given truthful facts. It's no good telling the public we are going to be doing 10,000, 25,000 and then 250,000 tests a day when our average is still in the high 4,000s Other countries are doing far more tests, and it is the WHO opinion, accepted by every other country affected that this is the way to go. If we are told we have 12000 ventilators with loads more on the way, but we only have 8000 then that is wrong. We are being reassured falsely. You may not care about accurate figures, but if figures count for nothing then why are they being touted at all? For the families of those that will die for our lack of ventilators these are important questions. And I wish my NHS staff family members actually had a fraction of the protective equipment government claims they have.
This is what they're saying now www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52052694 On Monday they were saying they chose to go a different route. Hmmmmm