Boris..intensive care..

POGS 13:14:15

Succinct and excellent post.

If your politics decides whether you hope someone lives or dies then you need to re-evaluate yourself.

There is a time for politics and there is a time to be human.

Well my post hit a nerve with ' a few' didn't it.

Whitewave you said:-

"What nasty minds those other posters have?"
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" I think that it simply reflects exactly how they would feel if Starmer got ill. They are are assuming that everyone else has the same lack of empathy.

Shame on them.
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You are the gift that keeps on giving.

NO I do not think for one minute anybody would show lack of empathy toward Starmer if he was ill and in Intensive Care.

For you to put up such an excuse shows it is a thought but that thought would not occur to many.

It brings it home to you when you put a face to a victim.
I hope and pray he pulls through.

gilly - thanks!

Although it’s meant to be ‘search engine’ someone pointed out it’s also read as ‘searching gin’ - which in these strange and unusual times is probably a good suggestion

Awful thing to say, he should be ashamed.

I think these people are really just saying what they are thinking which just goes to show how vile some people can be.

Sorry off topic ..... but I have only just worked out your name SirChenjin and had a giggle that it took me so long. Very clever !

You would think so tickingbird . He was even given the chance to apologise but said he stood by his every word. How anyone could wish this on another human being is beyond wicked.

There is also a Labour councillor in Leeds, Julie Heselwood, who said his stay in ICU was a publicity stunt! Don't these people engage their brains before opening their mouths?

Surely that man should be sacked from his £100,00 pa job?

The fact that the U.K. spends the lowest amount on health care in the G7 is nothing to boast about.

But Europe funds its health services in totally different ways to us

www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2011/may/11/european-healthcare-services-belgium-france-germany-sweden

We need to change how we fund ours. And how its run

But that's another thread

Different countries also collate data differently. There’s been discussion regarding Germany’s figures. I believe the UK class a person dying with CV as a death caused by the virus. From what I gather, Germany only do that if death is actually caused by the virus and not just because someone had it when they died.

Sorry, just saw your post about the RMT boss - what a vile thing to say

Testing more people that is - as we should be

That’s because they’re testing!

But Germany has almost twice as many confirmed cases of CV than we have here in the U.K. with a population of only 20 million more .

Something like

U.K. population 67.80 million. CV cases around 65,000

Germany population 83.02 million. CV cases around 119,000

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8205057/RMT-chief-assistant-says-hopes-Tory-party-gets-coronavirus.html

This vile excuse of a human being should be sacked .

Of course, you're quite right vegansrock, I just thought that the information from across Europe was an interesting comparison to the UK.

The fact that the U.K. spends the lowest amount on health care in the G7 is nothing to boast about.

I obtained that information quite easily, by just checking through the various European countries to see what their medical personnel were saying about Covid-19. As that was only 3 days ago, I don't suppose it's changed that much since.

which are far last their effective use

I pick out that one phrase because it is something I have reiterated.

Hardly anyone would expect and be prepared for a pandemic on this scale and to keep equipment in storage on the off-chance that there could be such an event at some unspecified future date would mean that much of the stored equipment could be of little use if stored for years as it may have perished.

On the 7th April, I posted this on another thread:

It's not just the NHS that's struggling to cope with medical supplies, equipment and staffing levels though is it?

Spain: Doctors in Spain have complained of a lack of basic protective equipment as 514 people died with the virus in the country in a single day. Hernández said primary health care facilities and staff in the capital were overloaded and suffering from a significant lack of personal protective equipment, including masks, visors and impermeable gowns.

Italy: The International Council of Nurses (ICN) and the Italian Nurses Association (CNAI) are warning of the dire consequences of not supplying adequate person protective equipment for nurses working with patients who have COVID-19. Some hospitals do have enough Personal Protective Equipment (PPE), but in most cases, nurses and doctors are forced to wear masks which are far past their effective use, and in some hospitals in central and southern Italy, staff have no PPE at all.

ATHENS, Greece — Hospital doctors have staged protests around Greece to press demands for the government to hire additional medical staff and use more resources from the private sector.

France: France is at war against the coronavirus, but its army is woefully unprepared for the fight. So says emergency medical responder Dr. Sabrina Ali Benali.

“We have found a way to get masks, but that’s all we have. We don’t have disposable garments / coveralls, nor stocks of hand sanitiser, hair nets, glasses, overshoes.”

Yes they will gilly. Some will heed the evidence get it more right than others. Cases in Germany might be on the rise but their swift response means they’re not on the same trajectory as other countries eg those who, at the beginning, thought that herd immunity was the way to go for some reason.

Oh goodness, sorry autocorrect again.
Counrey
And is not dips!