Boris..intensive care..

I don't think we can afford to draw any conclusions at all and stating who, where or which counrey is doing better than others dips premature and counter-productive at the moment.

As oopsminty says This isn't over

Comments are very different from personal abuse though Elegran. What sort of things were they saying about him that were personally abusive?

China sold a lot of PPE kit to Italy when it became evident that Italy was becoming the epicentre of the outbreak in Europe.
There are a lot of Chinese immigrants living in Northern Italy.

Got to agree gillybob

This isn't over

The much lauded Germany are seeing cases/deaths rising

We just don't know

Boris Johnson said he was shaking hands with coronavirus patients just weeks before he tested positive for Covid-19. The prime minister confirmed he had entered self-isolation on Friday 27 March. Early this month, he insisted that people would be 'pleased to know' that the virus would not stop him greeting hospital patients with a handshake

Why would anyone do this?

Given an extremely complex problem different people will set about solving it in different ways SirChenjin . It’s far too soon to say they did it right or they did it wrong . The world is not out of this yet.

Where? On several threads people have not paused in their comments while the man was in intensive care.

They really, really don’t.

They do

I'm with gillybob.
All the wonderful kit in the world and rapid lock down doesn't seem to have helped Italy much.
Too many armchair experts criticising people who are actually having to make hard decisions.

I don’t need to scrabble for a stick - there’s a whole wood available

I don’t doubt you have a stockpile.

You need to do a bit more research then - they don’t.

From the many items on tv reporting from Italy. Into The Red Zone being just one.

Iam, ask 100 people here to name one famous politician who has been ill recently and one doctor who requested proper protection and then died as a result of not getting it.

There we have it.

gilly these countries that I mentioned seemed to have the foresight. Why do you think this Govt didn’t?

Where do you get the idea that Italian healthcare staff all have this wonderful PPE?

I don’t need to scrabble for a stick - there’s a whole wood available.

Greymar, why do you believe that Dr Chowdrey will be forgotten in a heart beat on this site by most? Despite the different political leanings clear from all our posts, I haven't seen anyone dismissing, or not caring about the sacrifice, the loss of life in the NHS staff who are the forefront of this awful disease.
I haven't (yet) seen anyone say we shouldn't invest more in the NHS. I have seen the occasional repeated comment that the NHS and other essential services 'waste money' on managers and systems. My experience of working in public service was of very tightly managed purse strings so far as essential items (pens) and expenses (lunch when away from base for a full working day). When in the private sector, huge amounts were spent on sweet talking customers. The corporate entertainment of customers costs small fortunes. We pay in taxes for the public services and in cash when we buy from companies that spend fortunes on sweet talking suppliers etc.
I live in hope that this pandemic encourages society to think differently about essential public services. That will influence politicians.

Personally I am not scrabbling around for a stick to beat Boris, why on earth would I wish to do such a thing?

He is one man, one flawed individual

Greymar I thought we’d already established that history is full of powerful men on all sides of the political spectrum having flaws. Why do you find it necessary to point this out again?

Because hindsight is a wonderful thing SirChenjin and no one could have possibly known this was coming. It’s pointless saying he should’ve done this or that ....

Adequate PPE should have been available.
The government claimed that it was available.
That was untrue.

If medical staff are taking risks, while being as well protected as possible, that is entirely different from being left to get on with it without even basic protection.

I believe over 100 doctors and nursing staff have died in Italy. A truly dreadful figure. Apparently the area that has been the hardest hit is very affluent and the health care superior to our NHS. Their PPE look more like spacesuits but still they succumbed to this virus. However, if you’re scrabbling around looking for a stick to beat Boris with you’ll find one.

gilly why do you think that? Other Govts such as Germany and Taiwan have taken a different approach. Do you think it’s the beyond the ability of UK politicians to have handled it better?

attacking him and posting personal abuse

Where?