Boris..intensive care..

Is he? Are you sure? I hope so.

Boris is out of Intensive Care. Whoop Whoop. Great news.

Callistemon. Thank you

I'm sorry to hear about your DIL, Lucca and wish her the very best.

I was being pedantic and not criticising what you feel.

Agree. Would never wish someone ill because I disagree with their politics.

Exactly same if Corbyn or the Queen or the Pope became ill with this dreaded virus.

The majority amongst those of us who don’t particularly like Boris I mean

Lucca I’m so sorry to hear about your DIL

maddy I think the majority of us feel the same about Boris as you feel about Corbyn - really don’t agree with or like his politics but wouldn’t wish him harm and would hope he recovers. That’s how most right minded people think and quite why anyone would claim that posters who say that are effectively liars is beyond me.

Lucca good wishes to you.

Lucca
Sorry to hear that

Callistemon. Having just had some bad news about my DIL, I’m going to just give up on this whole thing. I know what I mean and I know I don’t wish any personal harm to the PM and I still have serious reservations about his policies.

Ditto maddyone

I wish, along with others on here, that Boris recovers and goes home to Carrie and his family. I’m fairly sure (not 100% because I haven’t read every thread or every post) that Gransnetters all wish him well and a complete recovery. We are, on the whole, people of a certain age, we’re in an at risk group ourselves, and we’ve gained enough experience over the years hopefully, to never wish anyone anything but good. Sadly there are others that don’t have this attitude, for example the two men who have been arrested for licking their hands and smearing them over goods in the supermarket. How vile is that, even under normal times, but now!!!
I have said before, I didn’t have much time for Jeremy Corbyn, that is his politics, but I would never wish any harm on him, in particular Coronavirus. He is 70+ and in an at risk group. Stay safe Jeremy. Stay safe everyone, these are indeed scary times.
Get well Boris and go home to Carrie and your family.

Lucca
The but would qualify the love for your friend

So saying, for example, "I do wish my friend would not drive so fast" is a statement, whereas saying "I do love my friend but ..... wish she wouldn't drive so fast " is slightly different, qualifying the love.

I will go and sit in pedants' corner.
It's quiet and peaceful there.

Chewbacca - you are spot on, many of the greatest or most influential leaders/heroes were 'colourful' characters. Another on the list of womanisers was Lloyd George. I'm sure there are many more.
I like Boris for his enthusiasm and personality which seems to inspire people, and I'm saddened that his time in office has been blighted by this pandemic and by his own illness. This has completely blown everything that was planned when he came into office. It's a national tragedy and a personal tragedy. No PM deserves a pandemic on their watch.

I'm sorry that Johnson is ill and he has as much sympathy from me as any other sufferer of this awful virus. As for leaders having "feet of clay" I think the thing about him is he is almost entirely composed of clay, he just has a veneer that makes him attractive to some people. He reminds me of what Shakespeare said "All that glisters is not gold".

Device.

I think, eazybee that sitting up is the right position for someone to be in if they are struggling to breathe and need assistance.
People being ventilated may be turned on to their fronts.
Being able to communicate does not mean that someone is well on the road to recovery as one can still speak if on CPAP decide.

Not out of the woods yet.

Hetty58 and others, being inept at one's job to the extent that people are harmed or even lose their lives can be a punishable offence.
It's not just excusable eccentricity as some on here seem to think.

I think that it simply reflects exactly how they would feel if Starmer got ill. They are are assuming that everyone else has the same lack of empathy.

Shame on them.

If someone who’s politics those pointing the accusatory finger didn’t like ( eg Corbyn whom many of them seemed to love to put the boot in) were ill would they be pleased? A bit of empathy wouldn’t go amiss here. We are human beings. My family have been touched by this virus and probably everyone’s will be at some point. I don’t wish this on anyone. There are hundreds of patients with this virus in ICUs. My thoughts are with them all. So don’t tar everyone with your own brush.

nobody’s listening.......ain't that the truth.

Exactly. I suspect it’s simply a reflection of how they think.

What nasty minds those other posters have?

I just want to be clear in my understanding, POGS. Lemon grove , are you saying that we cannot empathise with Boris being ill if we don’t like his policies ? So any statement of opinion about someone cannot contain “but” ?

So you could never say “oh I do love my friend X but I do think she drives too fast”. For example.