Are the media misreading our mood?

To clarify then, nobody has said people ( of a non Tory persuasion) on this site are gloating at the stress the government is under, and the deaths of innocent people?

But then others feel there is some sort of " left wing gloating" Where?

Some journalists apparently are gloating?

Do we have any links to this please?

Another source I read recently states that the average life lost by coronavirus victims is 13 years for men and 11 for women. That's what hurts me.

Yes I have read all that GloryBee being completely fair and factoring in many sources, the government dithered and delayed the inevitable for 11 days. 11 days is a lot of virus spreading time.

Good post Glorybee this is the timeline of the WHO statements.

rosecarmel
A very good comment. Sadly we do see some smugness/gloating on Gransnet. I agree with you that any other government would have struggled with this situation.

As I have mentioned before on other threads, in my very humble opinion the major mistake made was that we appeared to be chasing the ‘herd immunity’ policy at first, which I disagreed with from the beginning. The consequence of this was a failure to lockdown the country early enough, and so this is where we are now.

To clarify my previous post re positively gloating I was referring to how some journalists and Gransnetters seem to want this Government to fail.

It is a time to be united for the good of us all, the time for inquiries is when a vaccine is found and the world can get to what will probably be a new normal

I was not inferring that people were gloating over the sick or dying that is a ridiculous assumption to make. I have friends and family on the front line fighting this vile virus and know to well what it is like to dread answering the phone.

Starblaze - the govt has indeed got some things wrong but re the WHO and experts, it wasn’t quite as you say-

“Claim – On the third Friday in January Coronavirus was already spreading around the world but the government ‘brushed aside’ the threat in an hour-long COBR meeting and said the risk to the UK public was ‘low’.

Response – At a very basic level, this is wrong. The meeting was on the fourth Friday in January. The article also misrepresents the Government’s awareness of Covid 19, and the action we took before this point. Health Secretary Matt Hancock was first alerted to Covid 19 on 3 January and spoke to Departmental officials on 6th Jan before receiving written advice from the UK Health Security Team.

He brought the issue to the attention of the Prime Minister and they discussed Covid 19 on 7 January. The government’s scientific advisory groups started to meet in mid-January and Mr Hancock instituted daily coronavirus meetings. He updated Parliament as soon as possible, on January 23rd.

The risk level was set to “Low” because at the time our scientific advice was that the risk level to the UK public at that point was low. The first UK case was not until 31 January. The specific meaning of “public health risk” refers to the risk there is to the public at precisely that point. The risk was also higher than it had been before - two days earlier it had been increased “Very Low” to “Low” in line with clinical guidance from the Chief Medical Officer.

The WHO did not formally declare that coronavirus was a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC) until 30 January, and only characterised it as a global pandemic more than a month later, on 11 March. The UK was taking action and working to improve its preparedness from early January.’ This was from the Dept of Health response to the Sunday Times article recently.

Good comment rosecarmel

I don't think what GrannyGravy said about gloating is far fetched-

There's plenty of smugness and gloating on display on a daily basis- It's there during good times and it's there during bad-

No sense pretending some other rainbow government would have done a better job or could- But that doesn't mean that the current government shouldn't be pressed to do their best, shouldn't be put on the spot by journalists- It's their job to ask- And it's the government's job to respond honestly and effectively-

The virus is not intelligent. Human beings are supposed to be. It's not just a virus death toll either. There are the current and future deaths of all people who cannot get treatment or diagnosis right now. There are current and future mental health related deaths. A proportion of those could also have been avoided had we locked down and started test and trace earlier. Locking down too late has also done untold damage to our economy. Experts, The Who and other EU countries were all screaming at us to do so. Venues, work places and other organisations listened before tye government. I don't know or care their politics, those heroes saved lives.

The chances of slowing this virus enough before next flu season are slim now.

What is happening in the US is very interesting. People protesting lockdown out on the streets are probably extending lockdown by coming together and spreading the virus. Thus shooting themselves in the foot.

World gone mad

No one, even at the end of all this is going to agree on every suggested method of trying to forecast what would happen as they try to minimise deaths and heartache, but it’s the VIRUS that’s doing the killing and everyone, on earth, is trying their best to minimise the damage.

They talked about how many people the average infected person could infect. Before lockdown there would also have been a lot of people with mild symptoms unknowingly infecting others. Lockdown took the majority of those out of the situation

I suppose I am standing shoulder to shoulder with myself? possibly as I am a volunteer.

I also think the " Can do" is the attempt by an out of touch nascissist to have his hour of glory.

As for anybody gloating over this situation, there are no words.

If you look at the incubation period though Starblaze, it wouldn't necessarily have made much difference. The discussion around death rates (as opposed to numbers) of countries is interesting too

GrannyLaine fascinating so far. How many people would still be alive with just a few days earlier lockdown

Comparing us to Trump is massively embarrassing.

Honestly, Boris out, any Conservative with their head on their shoulders fine by me. There are still many fundamentally important decisions to be made

Very interesting listening from the More or Less programme 22/4/20, particularly around statistics for death totals for the day they occurred. They claim that the peak happened on April 8th and the significance of that.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000hfqq

Sussexborn, very sensible post. And they are now beginning to screech about the Nightingale hospitals being a waste of money.........

Shelmiss, ridiculous because some posters are arguing about politics when we are living through the plague! Fighting about how BJ was right or how they aren't REALLY lying because blah, blah, blah.

This ISN'T bl***y politics. It is about saving lives!

Some statisticians are saying THIS isn't even our peak death rate. That the peak rate will come later in the year when it combines with flu.

Possibly the reason those in control are so OUT of control, is for the same reason some posters on this site STILL insist on getting into party political arguments. Because they STILL think there is a space for political arguing.

IMO we are way, way past the point where we have space for support/dislike of a politician because we support/oppose that party.

We need to hold those responsible for the deaths of thousands of UK citizens. And we need to let those who CAN effectively lead us, do so, regardless of political affiliation.

My overseas friends (Swiss, Turkish, US, New Zealand, Chinese, other Asian countries) are watching the UK in horror. They compare our government to Trump. They can't believe we're allowing this mismanagement.

There's a lot of ways you can be heard that doesn't constitute voting for a different party. Email your MP (I quite like mine and he is Conservative) start a petition, opinion polls etc

That last comment went too far. But for the lo e of everything, you wvoted for them, hold them to account. If you don't what's the next thing? Was austerity and the resulting deaths not enough?

Yes but my children never did anything that resulted in death. Also I raised them, if they were going around letting people die I would be blaming myself. Unlike Tory voters.

Blasted autocorrect! "I ask again, not what mistakes were made, but ^how at this point in time does anyone suggest that the "right" measures be taken, what they are, and how long it would take for them to be applied and effective?"^

Firing the lot of them or clapping them in the Tower doesn't count as effective action - the problems will still remain.

Sussexborn, When I blame Tories for mismanagement I do not intend to score political points. That is solely your inference.

And it has been said, again and again and again.

Everyone's children did something at some tiime time that thet shouldn't have, or failed to do something they should, but would it have been constructive to keep on reciting that crime at them every day for ever when they were trying to deal with serious problems?

I ask again, not what mistakes were made, but how at this point in time does anyone suggest that the right measures be taken, what they

Don't forget the past, but do look and work past it to the present and future!