Are the media misreading our mood?

If you look at the incubation period though Starblaze, it wouldn't necessarily have made much difference. The discussion around death rates (as opposed to numbers) of countries is interesting too

I suppose I am standing shoulder to shoulder with myself? possibly as I am a volunteer.

I also think the " Can do" is the attempt by an out of touch nascissist to have his hour of glory.

As for anybody gloating over this situation, there are no words.

They talked about how many people the average infected person could infect. Before lockdown there would also have been a lot of people with mild symptoms unknowingly infecting others. Lockdown took the majority of those out of the situation

No one, even at the end of all this is going to agree on every suggested method of trying to forecast what would happen as they try to minimise deaths and heartache, but it’s the VIRUS that’s doing the killing and everyone, on earth, is trying their best to minimise the damage.

The virus is not intelligent. Human beings are supposed to be. It's not just a virus death toll either. There are the current and future deaths of all people who cannot get treatment or diagnosis right now. There are current and future mental health related deaths. A proportion of those could also have been avoided had we locked down and started test and trace earlier. Locking down too late has also done untold damage to our economy. Experts, The Who and other EU countries were all screaming at us to do so. Venues, work places and other organisations listened before tye government. I don't know or care their politics, those heroes saved lives.

The chances of slowing this virus enough before next flu season are slim now.

What is happening in the US is very interesting. People protesting lockdown out on the streets are probably extending lockdown by coming together and spreading the virus. Thus shooting themselves in the foot.

World gone mad

I don't think what GrannyGravy said about gloating is far fetched-

There's plenty of smugness and gloating on display on a daily basis- It's there during good times and it's there during bad-

No sense pretending some other rainbow government would have done a better job or could- But that doesn't mean that the current government shouldn't be pressed to do their best, shouldn't be put on the spot by journalists- It's their job to ask- And it's the government's job to respond honestly and effectively-

Good comment rosecarmel

Starblaze - the govt has indeed got some things wrong but re the WHO and experts, it wasn’t quite as you say-

“Claim – On the third Friday in January Coronavirus was already spreading around the world but the government ‘brushed aside’ the threat in an hour-long COBR meeting and said the risk to the UK public was ‘low’.

Response – At a very basic level, this is wrong. The meeting was on the fourth Friday in January. The article also misrepresents the Government’s awareness of Covid 19, and the action we took before this point. Health Secretary Matt Hancock was first alerted to Covid 19 on 3 January and spoke to Departmental officials on 6th Jan before receiving written advice from the UK Health Security Team.

He brought the issue to the attention of the Prime Minister and they discussed Covid 19 on 7 January. The government’s scientific advisory groups started to meet in mid-January and Mr Hancock instituted daily coronavirus meetings. He updated Parliament as soon as possible, on January 23rd.

The risk level was set to “Low” because at the time our scientific advice was that the risk level to the UK public at that point was low. The first UK case was not until 31 January. The specific meaning of “public health risk” refers to the risk there is to the public at precisely that point. The risk was also higher than it had been before - two days earlier it had been increased “Very Low” to “Low” in line with clinical guidance from the Chief Medical Officer.

The WHO did not formally declare that coronavirus was a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC) until 30 January, and only characterised it as a global pandemic more than a month later, on 11 March. The UK was taking action and working to improve its preparedness from early January.’ This was from the Dept of Health response to the Sunday Times article recently.

To clarify my previous post re positively gloating I was referring to how some journalists and Gransnetters seem to want this Government to fail.

It is a time to be united for the good of us all, the time for inquiries is when a vaccine is found and the world can get to what will probably be a new normal

I was not inferring that people were gloating over the sick or dying that is a ridiculous assumption to make. I have friends and family on the front line fighting this vile virus and know to well what it is like to dread answering the phone.

rosecarmel
A very good comment. Sadly we do see some smugness/gloating on Gransnet. I agree with you that any other government would have struggled with this situation.

As I have mentioned before on other threads, in my very humble opinion the major mistake made was that we appeared to be chasing the ‘herd immunity’ policy at first, which I disagreed with from the beginning. The consequence of this was a failure to lockdown the country early enough, and so this is where we are now.

Good post Glorybee this is the timeline of the WHO statements.

Yes I have read all that GloryBee being completely fair and factoring in many sources, the government dithered and delayed the inevitable for 11 days. 11 days is a lot of virus spreading time.

Another source I read recently states that the average life lost by coronavirus victims is 13 years for men and 11 for women. That's what hurts me.

To clarify then, nobody has said people ( of a non Tory persuasion) on this site are gloating at the stress the government is under, and the deaths of innocent people?

But then others feel there is some sort of " left wing gloating" Where?

Some journalists apparently are gloating?

Do we have any links to this please?

I'm guessing that would be those worst affected Starblaze, who were probably ventilated and end up with permanent lung fibrosis from what they call the 'cytokine storm'? Its a grim prospect isn't it?

I think it means those who die, so horribly upsetting. All those lost memories and time.

I've seen people talk about how x disease causes more deaths than coronavirus.... Cancer and diabetes etc aren't contagious. You don't breathe in heart disease. I don't understand the attitude some have to this, "oh those people would die soon anyway" when that simply isn't true. (not that I have heard it here)

Oh sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about shortened life expectancy for survivors when the disease has been severe, but that's a thing as well.

GrannyLaine it's so worrying, I've read a few things that are unconfirmed. Permanent lung damage, permanent blood vessel damage. If it also turns out we don't become immune to this it will be devastating long term

It would certainly be good to know why some are SO badly affected, even without underlying health problems, and some have no symptoms at all.

Can I just set you straight Granny gravy I'm not gloating ,I'm not enjoying it at all.Today I heard my friends daughter in law lost her dad ...last week two of my daughters friends lost their dad,the week before two of my sons friends lost their mum.A lovely woman who used to work for us died at the weekend .the "4 nation strategy" we were compelled to agree to isn't working . Th FM wanted lockdown long before it was agreed to and a lot of lives might have been saved IF she had been listened to at those 5 COBRA meetings bojo skived because he was sorting "personal issues" Bojo of course wanted and is still continuing with the herd immunity proposal he decided on at the start .Remember him saying a lot of families would lose loved ones before their time? It wasn't a prophecy it was a plan The flights STILL arriving and unknown numbers heading north ,unchecked untraceable worries me sick .

That was vile saying people would go before their time.

Sorry paddy, as if you don't have enough to cope with.

@coggie, are you saying that you believe it to be possible under any circumstances, that no one would have died from Covid-19 in the UK?

*paddyanne *I remember that, I remember it well. And I didn’t agree with it.

I guess I may have liked something along the lines of People will sadly go before their time. These are the steps we have implemented,which I am now going to present to you in a clear and concise and honest way.

"That was vile saying people would go before their time."

But People will sadly go before their time. is okay?