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Piers Morgan’s interview with Nicola Sturgeon

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Elizabeth1 Mon 11-May-20 10:56:48

What did you think of Piers Morgan’s interview this morning with Nicola sturgeon and Please please intelligent answers only.

Callistemon Sun 17-May-20 20:13:06

Not true, paddyanne
But I expect that grumppa is au fait with the the meaning of EVEL.

paddyanne Sun 17-May-20 21:02:58

whats not true about it? that 85% will ALWAYS get their way against the 15% or that they get a say on matters affecting the devolved nations me its true .Look for the facts.oh and another fact.the SNP have NEVER voted on any matter that didn't concern Scotland in Westminster .Thats the ELECTED representatives of the Scottish people ,the ones laughed at and shouted down and told to F off back to Skye etc etc etc .Such respectful people the English MP's ....not

Fennel Sun 17-May-20 21:09:50

paddyanne I agree with you.
Though I'm not a Scot we're near the border and my sister has lived and worked there most of her life. We have little in common.

grumppa Sat 23-May-20 23:32:12

paddyanne, I have been off this thread or I would have replied to you sooner. My point was that England should have had a devolved assembly like the other parts of the UK for matters devolved from the central government. This would have put England on the same footing as Scotland vis-à-vis 10 Downing Street. This works for Germany: why not for the UK?

I tend to agree with P.G. Wodehouse that it is never difficult to distinguish between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine, but I think you were just a little hard on my suggestion, that was based on a desire to even things up between the component parts of the UK.

Namsnanny Sat 23-May-20 23:54:24

Callistemon 11th May 18.45

… Did you get an answer to your question?

Because I've wondered about that each time she comes on.

FarNorth Sun 24-May-20 01:25:53

Grumppa your post did not answer paddyanne.
Are you aware of EVEL?
Did you know that, even before EVEL, SNP MPs did not vote on matters which affected only England?
Did you know that EVEL is now used to exclude Scots MPs from voting on matters which do affect Scotland indirectly e.g. NHS funding?

Callistemon Sun 24-May-20 09:48:17

No, I didn't.
Perhaps there is no answer until, as grumppa suggests, England has its own devolved Parliament.
Then, of course, Wales and NI will want promotion to.

Personally, I was and am generally against devolution. The result in Wales was extremely close, with a 0.6 majority in favour of the consequent waste of money.
But that s democracy.

Callistemon Sun 24-May-20 09:52:21

FarNorth perhaps the answer is for Scots to raise their own taxes? Then they can spend as they wish.
As it is, they receive more per capita than anywhere else in the UK, consequently their health services should be better.
I don't know if they are, but some Scottish grans seem to think not.

grumppa Sun 24-May-20 11:41:17

farnorth yes I was aware of EVEL, it it wasn’t relevant to my original point.

paddyanne Sun 24-May-20 11:59:12

Callistemon we do raise our own taxes we then hand them over to Westminster who gives us a % back ,cunningly called the Barnett formula ..they keep the rest ,spend them as THEY want run up debts and tell us that those debts are ours!!! Now as far as I'm aware we dont use London Crossrail or London sewers or Boris' garden bridge etc etc etc .So why on earth would we run up debts to pay for them.

The FACT is Westminster cant survive without Scotlands financial input ...its all out there for people who want facts..not the nonsense WM has been feeding England for centuries ...there are even some old accounts in existence to prove it ..before they realised it might upset folk to see that 70% of their countries income was being spent elswhere .

The ignorance of the truth about the Scottish situation is amazing...or maybe not there are still some unionists who believe it here too .Of course EVEL is relevant to your post ,in a parliament where the numbers are so heavily in favour of England WHY would they have needed EVEL OR a seperate assembly? They get their own way all the time anyway !!