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jk rowling and the 3 dementors

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petunia Sat 13-Jun-20 14:38:21

Ive been following the JK Rowling news items with interest. Apparently she responded by tweet to an article earlier in the week that spoke of people who menstruate. JK made a flippant as in “‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud? “.

There was an immediate twitter backlash with some vile threats and comments. The twitter storm continues and Rowling felt the need to offer a full explanation of her point of view.

Interestingly, three actors who owe their very careers to JK Rowling did not support her. In fact their comments fanned the flames of public outrage. Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint.

We can not all agree with everyone but for those three young actors, who without the exposure that the Harry Potter movies gave them may still be struggling for fame and fortune, could they not have chosen to keep quiet on this occasion. They didn't have to wade in with any comments at all.

Summerlove Sat 13-Jun-20 22:01:39

Callistemon

Joanne is not virtue signalling but they are.

Please explain how?

Bridie22 Sat 13-Jun-20 21:54:17

100% with Jk Rowling on this issue, needed saying !

Jane10 Sat 13-Jun-20 21:42:58

I did know one transman. Nobody was in the least bothered. He wasn't very convincing as a man but he was a nice bloke and just got on with life.
He must have transitioned decades ago when it must have been harder. He was completely accepted where we worked. No fuss. No demands. He was just Sam (not his real name)

GrannyGravy13 Sat 13-Jun-20 21:36:28

Just a thought but there does not seem to be many/any transmen actively campaigning for access to mens spaces or is there not MSM interest in that aspect?

Jane10 Sat 13-Jun-20 21:32:10

Callistemon's right!

Callistemon Sat 13-Jun-20 21:30:37

Joanne is not virtue signalling but they are.

Callistemon Sat 13-Jun-20 21:29:48

If she hadn't written it we would, in all probability, never heard of these B listers

rosenoir Sat 13-Jun-20 21:25:09

The actors do not owe JK Rowling anything for their success.She did not write the film adaptation,produce,direct or choose the cast.

I am team Rowling on this.

Iam64 Sat 13-Jun-20 21:24:57

I find the trans issues challenging, don't suppose I'm alone in that. The need to protect hard fought for women only spaces is close to my heart. I don't see the majority of trans people as posing a threat. I do feel uneasy about eg brownie and guides on holiday with their group, finding themselves sharing their bedroom or dorm with a boy who self IDs as female.

I find the term virtue signalling unhelpful and lazy. To accuse JKR of 'virtue signalling' in response to her genuinely expressed concerns is just daft.

Callistemon Sat 13-Jun-20 21:15:00

It doesn't sound like virtue signalling as most would understand it.

Summerlove Sat 13-Jun-20 21:00:13

Wait

So it’s ok for JKR to “virtue signal” for her cause, which you agree with

But not for others, who you happen to disagree with.

Magsymoo Sat 13-Jun-20 20:49:56

It seems to me to be yet another example of people born male, with all their bits and pieces and, let's face it, having benefitted from male privilege, telling women what they should or should not think and accept. The aggression seems to be only in one direction, men transitioning to women not the other way round.

suziewoozie Sat 13-Jun-20 20:49:06

It really is about so so so much more than women’s spaces. It’s about the very concept of a woman and women’s rights.

trisher Sat 13-Jun-20 20:44:43

My mother didn't menstruate from 1948 when she was 26 until she died in 2017, so apparently she wasn't a woman.

Jane10 Sat 13-Jun-20 20:43:21

I was going to mention testosterone but thought I'd better not risk it!!

Sparklefizz Sat 13-Jun-20 20:36:34

Jane10 It's become militant because of the testosterone.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 13-Jun-20 20:16:41

I’ve been watching this story since it first broke.

I am definitely with Rowling on this one. I would feel very very uncomfortable in a changing room with a chap identifying as a female.

I also understand her reason and explanation of her previous marriage. I don’t (thank goodness) have that excuse, but I am still not convinced about the argument to allow these chaps into women’s space.

Jane10 Sat 13-Jun-20 20:07:36

I'm with JK on this. Women need to know there are safe spaces. That's spaces without people with willies.
I'm not sure why all this transgender issue has become so aggressively militant. Not really very feminine...
Dons tin hat and hides behind sofa.

TerriBull Sat 13-Jun-20 19:47:17

I was always struck by the stance of the transwoman who won some cycle race, I think in America, who towered over the women they trounced into second and third positions...……….cycled like women that was their problem not a chance sad However seeing the glorious winner in a seated position couldn't help noticing they had their legs akimbo, someone should tell them...….."you may walk and talk like a woman, but you ain't sitting like one, pl...………..eese legs together, --nuts or no nuts!--"

TerriBull Sat 13-Jun-20 19:34:57

don't doesn't

petunia Sat 13-Jun-20 19:34:45

exactly suedonim
i very rarely were a dress and high heels. so maybe im really a man, oooo eeerrrrr

TerriBull Sat 13-Jun-20 19:33:55

I believe a Labour party member called Dave, who was later expelled from the party, identified as a woman on Wednesdays, although not for the entire 24 hours, but between 6.50 am to be precise and midnight. He kept his beard but possibly walked and talked like a woman to authenticate his Womanly Wednesdays.

Pamela, hang on the fact that you are a post menopausal person now smile A state that aforementioned Dave could attain on all his future Wednesdays, when they can walk and talk like a woman to their heart's content, assuming Dave don't become a person afflicted by post menopausal osteoporosis then walking like a woman may prove to be difficult sad which might give Dave the impetus to simply stay as Dave and walk like a man, even on Wednesdays!

SueDonim Sat 13-Jun-20 19:20:17

And what exactly does ‘walk like a woman and talk like a woman‘ mean? Do all women walk in the same way and speak in the same manner? Are all women Stepford Wives or Gilead’s Handmaidens?

Good on JKR, I say.

FarNorth Sat 13-Jun-20 19:15:48

Here's Alex Drummond who is an advisor to Stonewall, on trans issues.
I think Alex's look is great, and I don't believe his claim to be a woman.

youtu.be/argNVR5HVgE

PamelaJ1 Sat 13-Jun-20 19:14:30

But Terri, I’ve done the menopause. What is there for me now I’m well and truly on the other side?

Moonlight you are right, JK doesn’t own them. She is not answerable to them, didn’t include or allude to them when she commented. Why did they feel they needed to weigh in?