jk rowling and the 3 dementors

Moonlight113, it doesn't even have to do that. It can be clearly male, sporting a beard even, and just had to want to be recognised as a woman and that's it - a done deal.

Clearly you have no idea of the problems we are walking into, with this.

I think it's only right that the three individuals should state their own views. JKR doesn't own them.

And if it walks like a woman and talks like a woman, it's a woman, in my view.

Presumably a person who menstruates will come to the end of that period (no pun intended) of their life and will then become a person going through the menopause

humptydumpty, this whole argument is about men being able to self-identify as a woman. Years ago the situation was somewhat different but there has been a movement that says that the minute a man says he is a woman then he becomes 'she' and can use female only spaces without let or hindrance. That was the whole point of my previous post. I have every sympathy with anyone who suffers from gender dysphoria , what I object to is that there is no thought for biological women who are fearful of sharing safe spaces with males.
In addition no-one seems to think that some women, for religious reasons , can't share those spaces with men to whom they are not related. So, what happens there then?

callistemon-love that game
im going to go with non menstruator

JK Rowling is in a fortunate position in a way. she is wealthy and does not need a job. but many of us must go along with the fantasy or face dismissal or punishment.

i would like to know what rights the trans community want to have that are not already there as a citizen of the UK

I am a person who does not menstruate
What am I?

It's a new parlour game.

Totally agree with JKR. The trans movement has become very militant and very powerful. The Potter 3 are just trying to stay relevant because let’s face it, they’re hardly in high demand are they?!

petunia

well there are alternatives merlotgran if you arent a person who menstruates. cervix haver is one i particularly dislike.

But what if you've had a total hysterectomy?

Thanks suzie.

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1270749170215903232?s=08

I think those criticising JKR should first read what she wrote - I’ll post the link

She was objecting to the removal of the word woman.

But the thing is, they don’t have to go through a long and painful process, they can just declare themselves to be a woman and that is enough. So you could have men with all their bits , who have never taken hormones, declare themselves a woman and be given access to women only spaces. Well, I’m sorry I’m with JKR on this one.

I expect that I am now a Person who is pretty useless. Doesn’t even menstruate.
Sorry but I keep pressing too quickly.

Sorry PERSON not woman.

Humpty Dumpty, I understood that JK’s comments did not denigrate trans women. She was objecting to being called a woman who menstruates. Do you prefer that as a description of you or would you rather be called a woman?
I would prefer woman thank you very much.

Personally I found JK's comments offensive. If she was referring to an individual's right to declare what sex they are, then there would be a problem with e.g. changing rooms. But people who have transitioned have gone through an extremely long and painful process, I can't believe anyone would do that just for the opportunity to go into a women's changing room.

So people who have felt all their life that they are female but have a boy's body are never going to be able to feel that they are now female, no matter what they put themselves through? I'm in agreement with the three HP actors.

i agree ooopsminty. twitter and instagram are such a pernicious influence. our previous MP lived on twitter and made themselves look a fool and consequently was not reelected.
an instagram teaches everyone that appearance and possessions are everything.

for whats its worth ladymuck, over 80% of trans men decide not to remove their genitals. there is no compulsion to do so, so why would they. a man is a woman if he says he is. do they not all repeat the mantra,trans-women are women.

i think the days of thinking some individuals have gender dysphoria and wish to live quietly in the gender they believe they are are over. there's a more vitriolic and aggressive trans movement being urged on to more and more unacceptable behaviours. celebs coming out in support such as the 3 dementors must be music to their ears.
three cheers for JK Rowling for making that stand

If I was famous I'd be giving FB, Instagram, Twitter etc etc, a wide berth

What's the point?

Especially when you can end up in loads of trouble

Trump would be advised to stay away as well.

Tweeting is something to be avoided

All that happens is you upset a couple of people which turns into hundreds and thousands and maybe the only mistake you made was by saying you didn't like curry.

Some 'comedian' made a daft comment at Priti Patel which saw her lambasted by the kind tolerant left. She was referred to as a coconut.

Some people think the term ‘coconut’ is brazenly racist.

People seem to be reverting back to childhood with their own gangs bullying another.

Here Here JK Rowling ?

She has fought for womens rights all her life, I am so grateful she spoke up, in the same way I was grateful for martina navratilovas contribution to the debate, of course she knew what would happen and she did it anyway, she is very brave.

Why can't people just stick to what they are known for and stop voicing their opinions in public. She must have known what the reaction would be.
For what it's worth, I think she's right. Cutting off the genitals and wearing womens clothing does not turn a man into a woman. You remain biologically the gender you are born.

suziewoozie , exactly. If any man wants to take hormones and modify his body then that is fine by me. But biologically they are still male, and always will be. I have no objection to saying trans-woman but not woman to describe them. Furthermore I , along with many other biological women ( or women ) have been sexually assaulted. I do not want to be in a safe space. e.g changing room etc and not know if the person trying on clothes next to me is biologically a male. And , sorry to bang on about my previous employment again , but I did have many clients who were sex offenders and honestly they were without doubt the most devious, conniving people I had ever met. Quite capable of exploiting any situation. For my safety I wasn't allowed to be alone with some of them when I interviewed them.So why ever would I want to undress in front of them?
And believe me , I think some of them would be quite capable of saying they were trans to get into a changing room.
If we all had lockable, individual, completely enclosed changing rooms ,fine . But that is not going to happen

On another note, I could scream when another privileged man tells ME what to think . It's about time they shut up.
Sorry for the rant.