jk rowling and the 3 dementors

But do none of you understand that the way the patriachy works is by sowing the seeds of division. So I will not stand against trans people because there are a few aggressive unacceptable posts from some people. I stand for the rights of all people no matter what their race, religion, sexuality, gender, ability, origin or status. There are oppressed people in all areas of society some because they are poor some becuse they are ill or disabled and some because of their gender. True feminism seeks to destroy all those differences and to build a world where all are equal and while we pit one group against another only the patriachy gains.

@galaxy the arrogance of the politer commenters, informing her she was coming across as transphobic. That Trans women’s need to feel accepted is not greater than the women’s experience of being tortured and mutilated because she has a vagina, and her need to talk about it to spread awareness.

Yes I have seen the trolling of the woman who campaigns against fgm, horrific. She like JKR refused to remove the word female or women. Thank god for these women.

@trisher we are not equal and that is the point. If men and women were equal this argument would cease to exist. The issue is that by saying there should be no distinction between the sexes the only benefit is to men. They wouldn’t be subject to equality measures, they would have access to women only safe spaces, there would be no vehicle to challenge when we are discriminated against.

There was a blog written by a survivor of FGM and horrific sexual assault. The trolling she received by the trans rights activists because she refused to remove the term “female genitals” from her story. She couldn’t identify her way out of her abuse. It was because she is a women. Until the world is equal, our sex is a defining part of who we are. Telling us we can identify how we please is a luxury of western “cis” men and and anyone who thinks taking that identity away will force people to treat each other equally is putting the cart before the horse.

Violent people assault other people. I think you will find you are talking about men trisher. And there is an example where using vague language damages women. 98 % of violent sexual assault is committed by men. Using the word people in that sentence is obscene.

Why should a patient who has requested a certain type of health care professional not speak out when allocated someone who isn’t that type? Must she keep silent about why it triggered trauma in her simply to massage someone else’s ego? The patient’s complaint was upheld in the proceedings that ensued - she was right to speak out.

Babyshark if someone wants to stand beside me, to identfy with me, to be treated the same as me they will presumably be subjected to the same restrictions as I am. They will therefore stand with me to make sure my rights which by definition become their rights are upheld. And perhaps by refusing to be defined by their gender but choosing to be non-binary perhaps that is what young people are saying that if you do not know my gender you must treat me equally.

It feels as if the rights of the majority are being ignored to appease the minority and that’s not fair.

Indeed that is what's happening caramac.
I haven't heard of any trans supporters making suggestions as to how everyone can have their legitimate needs met.

No previous, or ongoing, campaigns for fairer treatment have involved removing legitimate rights to safety, privacy etc from anyone else.

Nobody is talking about ceding rights. It's a situation which has been spun into extremes for some unknown reason. It is 50 years since Jan Morris had her operation. Trans women have been living amongst us using toilets using changing rooms and other facilities but where are the expected assaults?
JK Rowling can say what she wants about women but not that just women menstruate for the simple reason that some people who menstruate do not want to be known as women. Now I'm not one of them, but I have met young women who do not use "she" and it is entirely up to them what they choose to call themselves. They still menstruate and they are people.
Violet people assault other people. Hate crimes against transgender people in England, Scotland and Wales, as recorded by police, increased 81% from the 2016-17 fiscal year (1,073 crimes) to the 2018-19 fiscal year (1,944 crimes)

@galaxy I agree.

Gay men are oppressed, black men are oppressed, this does not mean we should cede our rights to them. Women are not everyone's mother.

Iv seem different statistics Galaxy but have no confirmation of their accuracy so accept your point.

2 women a week are killed by men. 8 transwomen have been killed in the last 10 years.

@galaxy in terms of the level of hate crime and violent crimes. But I say this with a hard hat, if you want to be a women, you can’t cherry pick the best bits, part of being a women today is being at risk of violent crime just for being a women. Sad but true.

In what way are women less oppressed than transwomen in this country.

It's a crime to have the 'wrong' opinion nowadays. As my opinion is usually contrary to the majority on here, my prison sentence is way overdue!

The difference with women taking radical action trisher is that women were the oppressed party vs privileged men. Trans are oppressed ( even more so than women) but women are not an objectively privileged group, relatively maybe.... but trans rights activists are still taking the rights of a group of people who can be sexually assaulted with small chance of legal consequence, are paid less than male counterparts, are mutilated and sexually assaulted as a means of accepted control in some parts of the world - all by men. Trans rights activists are using the same tactics against women that men have used to control us for centuries. Call us names, threaten sexual assault. I know they make a minority but they are still taking rights away from vulnerable members of society.

But that is exactly what JKR did, she used the word women and is currently being threatened with rape and assault.

As far as I know no one has stopped me calling myself a woman Galaxy. I have been asked which pronoun I prefer and I always say "she'. But it is nice to be asked. It shows a level of concern which is sometimes lacking.

As should natal women trisher, otherwise you are treating women and transwomen differently.

I think you’re spot-on Babyshark. Natal women need to protect the right they currently have.

Any instance of anyone harrassing another person causing that person distress or discomfort in any way is wrong. If it happens it needs to be dealt with, but as far as I know any one is entitled to refuse to be medically examined by another person and doesn't need to give a reason. I have no doubt there are agressive trans women but that is not a reason to condemn them all.
When women were fighting for the vote some chose to take very militant actions including arson and bombs, regretfully some of those women have been written out of history because they were regarded by other women as extremists and unacceptable. The rights and wrongs of their actions have been much debated but they stand as an example that sometimes radical actions are needed to establish equality.
And the issue with JK Rowling is not about trans women anyway but about trans men who still menstruate or binary people who simply choose not to use the term woman but still menstruate. I think they should be entitled to call themselves whatever they wish.

Yes there are many transwomen who stand with women and refuse to use womens spaces, they receive considerable abuse. Fionne Orlander for example has been very brave.

@suedonim that is genuinely awful. I don’t want any trans person to feel anything but accepted for who they are inside but not at the expense of a woman’s right to choose who sees her body and who she allows into her safe space. It’s honestly like progress has moved into reverse. I genuinely think the majority of trans woman get and understand this - but it’s aggressive trans rights activists that cross the line and actually prove the point that women need to retain the few protections we have gained.

I’m sorry for your friend. She was brave to challenge. A lot of people who challenge in that position are now being doxxed and harassed.

Cis women is a phrase used by the trans community to describe biological women in order to substantiate their own claims to be 'women'.

Why can't the trans women be "cis women", and we just stay as the "women" we've always been? Why do we have to be the ones to change?