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Do leopards change their spots when they get really old?

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miranda1 Sun 26-Jul-20 21:35:41

My friend's MIL has always been nasty and supercilious to her, constantly putting her down and denigrating her. She has always been a typical narcissistic bully, controlling and manipulative. She is now 87 and has suddenly become nicer to her over the last 2 years.
Has she really changed? Does she regret her past actions? Or is this simply a pretence at making amends as she has realised she may not have much time left?
Would she, in short, revert to type if she were suddenly bestowed with youth and vigour and knew she had another 10 years on earth?
My friend is confused and doesn't know what to make of it.
What do you guys think?
What has been your own experience of nasty bullies - did they genuinely change as they got very old, or was it all just a big con?

quizqueen Wed 29-Jul-20 12:28:10

allow them 'to'.......talking about dementia; my spelling/typing/proofreading skills have been terrible this morning!!

quizqueen Wed 29-Jul-20 12:25:46

I've said it a 100 times...people behave how you allow them too. Any bad behaviour from mothers in law, daughters in law, anyone really... needs to be nipped in the bud and not tolerated from the beginning.

My husband's grandmother bitterly complained that I hadn't let her hold our baby daughter at the Christening. The baby had actually slept right through everything-the service and the tea afterwards so I didn't particularly want her passed around like a new toy but I told her that she only had to ask, if that was what she wanted, but why was she just blaming me; she has a father too!!! She was a right old battle axe but she never said anything out of place to me after that. The other 2 daughters in law were terrified of her and sang to her tune at every family occasion.

Lexisgranny Wed 29-Jul-20 12:09:25

From my experience people don’t change as they get older, they just become “more so”.

Newatthis Wed 29-Jul-20 12:01:02

Yep - the same happened to my friend. Not only did her MiL start to treat her nicely but she MiL) also started going to church, something she had never done in her life! My friend said although she feels it's a reprieve, she doesn't trust her and therefore takes it with a pinch of salt.

Flygirl Wed 29-Jul-20 01:15:59

Proceed with caution. True narcissists do not and cannot change. If they do, there's an ulterior motive. There has to be something in it for them.

icanhandthemback Tue 28-Jul-20 20:17:15

We are a make up of our chemicals in our brain along with which area of our brains work well or not and it is possible that her brain has changed. My Uncle was as tight as a tick but after he had a stroke, he suddenly started buying people presents. In fact, he became so generous, he had to be reigned it by his wife but he remained generous for the rest of his life. Certain drugs can cause changes in chemical composition like anti-depressants but other drugs can do it too. The lack of certain hormone can also do it.

Alioop Tue 28-Jul-20 19:53:30

She has her eye on your spare room lol

BusterTank Tue 28-Jul-20 17:53:00

Are you talking about my mother in law it's sounds like you are describing her . She acts all nicely because she needs me now but every so often she slips out of character . So the answer is no leopards never change there spots .

TrendyNannie6 Tue 28-Jul-20 17:21:43

I had such a nasty MIL I wanted to get on with her, she was nasty from time we first met, I tried everything, on her death bed she decided to tell my family members she was sorry for how she treated me, too little too late, I’d long gone and met the love of my life, so do they I wonder

Seajaye Tue 28-Jul-20 16:21:50

My mother was emotionally distant and a critical person for most of her life when she was a stay at home mum herself, but she did have a lot of stress looking after my father when he was alive as he had Parkinson's disease. She did not tell any of her adult children of the strain on her, as we all had young families at the time. I think that burden impacted upon her ability to have a close relationship with her grandchildren as she was always too stessed and angry with life to indulge them on our visits. I always found it upsetting listening to the criticisms of family memberscand even her friends and neighbours, particularly as I had had a nicevwarm relationship with her mother when we were all growing up. She has however mellowed a bit after the age of 80 so I think the spots do fade but do not disappear..

Barmeyoldbat Tue 28-Jul-20 15:06:53

I never liked my mum, adored my dad but mum no. She was sharp with her tongue and hurt me with words she said. Also as a child we were hit with the wooden spoon, which really hurt! When she had a only a few months to live she mellowed but it was to late. I have tried really hard not be like her.

rosecarmel Tue 28-Jul-20 15:02:35

I think human spot shifting is a lifelong process- Unlike leopards, whose patterns can be easily read left to right, on either side if their nose, humans can change their spots-

BlueBelle Tue 28-Jul-20 14:53:32

No they just become old leopards with the same spots in my opinion

MissAdventure Tue 28-Jul-20 14:52:49

Yes, I believe people can change as they age.

For what reasons, who knows?

Maybe dementia, maybe they try to be nice, maybe life is less stressful as we age (or, at least different stressors)

I would just enjoy it while it lasts.

Hilarybee Tue 28-Jul-20 14:40:12

People are often unpleasant or nasty to others because they are unhappy themselves. A happy person is pleasant to be around. People can definitely change

Caro57 Tue 28-Jul-20 14:12:14

Dementia?

BelindaB Tue 28-Jul-20 13:51:43

My mother was a monster and I absolutely loathed her. Not once, in all the time I was still at home, did she ever express any affection towards me or touch me with love, although she was very "handy" and thought nothing of smacking me across the face or even, on occasion, beating me with a dog whip.

It left me with such severe scars that when I had my first child, it was presumed I'd given birth before "because of all the stretch marks you've got".

I left home at age 16 after she beat me up and down the street naked, on Christmas Day, because I'd stayed out after 10 pm the night before.

After several months of being bounced about by my stepfather I walked away and ended up here, in London. I have never been back except to visit and since the last of my direct relatives died last year, will (hopefully) never have to go back there again.

I'm told that when she died she did so with her face towards the door of the ward, waiting for me to walk through them.

Even if I'd known she was dying, it would not have made any difference. I would still not have gone to see her.

I've tried very, very hard to make sure that my own children know how much I love them. They were told so, and kissed and cuddled from birth.

My mother, by the way, always said I'd make a rotten mother because I was too selfish to have children...

JohnD Tue 28-Jul-20 13:21:51

Just remember a leopard isn't a human.

grandtanteJE65 Tue 28-Jul-20 13:21:13

My experience has sadly been that some nice people turn nasty in old age, due to some or other form of dementia.

I suppose others who haven't been nice might turn into nicer people.

Either way, it could be caused by dementia, but it could have other causes. I felt that my mother felt she had spent so much of her life behaving as others wanted her to, that she felt she had earned the right to say and do as she pleased in her old age.

An elderly person who changes into a nicer person may have realised that her former behaviour was wrong.

Carol54 Tue 28-Jul-20 13:18:01

My Mother was always extremely angry, volatile and unpredictable . She had Alzheimer's and became much more compliant and calmer. My sister and I decided she had forgotten what had happened to leave her so angry

Grannee Tue 28-Jul-20 12:02:28

Dylant234 -flowers spot on!

leeds22 Tue 28-Jul-20 12:01:19

Maybe the mil is hoping to come and live with her.

Dylant1234 Tue 28-Jul-20 11:30:43

Since I’ve retired from a very demanding job, I’ve had time to reflect on my life and relationships. I’ve come to the conclusion that I wasn’t always a very nice person, although quite fun to be around, I’d often denigrate or mock ( in a ‘jokey’ way of course). I’m trying now to be a nicer, kinder and more thoughtful person. One or two old friends have noticed and say that I’ve ‘mellowed’ which is a start. Maybe your friend’s MIL has genuine regrets, I’d say, give her a chance, she only has a few years left to be a better person - there’s redemption for everyone I hope!

maddyone Tue 28-Jul-20 11:06:39

shnackie
My mother also accused people of doing things they hadn’t done. It’s very hurtful. She doesn’t do it now, thank goodness. Nonetheless I love her, and want to remember her in a good light, and also I want to be able to say I did the right thing by her in her old age.

schnackie Tue 28-Jul-20 10:59:48

My mother was also a narcissistic b**ch. From her 50's she also became very paranoid, accusing me and many other people of completely ridiculous things. However from about age 78 she seemed to become less angry about things, and in turn much sweeter. She died at 83 and I was glad I had some happy memories. Obviously mental illness was a long term factor.