Prince Andrew latest.

Anniebach

No Lucca no way do I support Andrew , he is not unofficially
guilty, no one can be unofficially guilty . I don’t know the truth
of the allegations, I do know he chose to fly to America to meet a man who had served a sentenced for sexual abuse , this
cannot be supported or excused.

I have doubts about Ms Guffrie, and I don’t see any difference
between ‘wealthy men’ or the man in the street or in his own
home who sexually abuses , much emphasis is given to ‘wealth’.

My personal feelings about the murder of the police officer , any police officer in line of duty are personal, those teenagers
were brought up to know no other way of life , are they too
victims ?

Thank you replying Annie.

Before anybody completely denigrates PA and the Royal Family beyond all measure, it is worth reading Malcom Gladwell's, "Talking to Strangers." and, particular, the chapter about some of the abuse cases which have taken place in the States. Our default position regarding what we believe is apparently one of trust so it is possible that PA, the Royal Family, etc believed that Epstein was innocent of any charges or that they weren't as bad as they appeared. Equally, as unlikeable as Virginia Giuffre is she could have been experiencing that default position regarding Epstein herself as would her family. From the outside, it looks clear cut but it probably isn't. Clues missed from PA and VG would have led them to behave in a way we don't necessarily understand.
The only thing I wonder about is that VG's original testimony did not name Prince Andrew but just spoke about somebody she believed to be Royalty. Now she is adamant it was PA. We also only hear about the stuff the press want us to hear which can skew matters.
Personally, I don't think PA does come out of this well and I think he should co-operate with the authorities if only to put this matter to bed.

No Lucca no way do I support Andrew , he is not unofficially
guilty, no one can be unofficially guilty . I don’t know the truth
of the allegations, I do know he chose to fly to America to meet a man who had served a sentenced for sexual abuse , this
cannot be supported or excused.

I have doubts about Ms Guffrie, and I don’t see any difference
between ‘wealthy men’ or the man in the street or in his own
home who sexually abuses , much emphasis is given to ‘wealth’.

My personal feelings about the murder of the police officer , any police officer in line of duty are personal, those teenagers
were brought up to know no other way of life , are they too
victims ?

Annie - yes those boys may have been raised to believe stealing was a way of life - those girls were not raised to believe having sex with older influential men was a way of life, so yes you are clutching at straws.

It seems you are prepared to blame anyone and everyone - except PA. I think he needs to sit down with the FBI in a face to face meeting in order to answer their questions as a WITNESS. His reluctance to do so merely encourages speculation that he has something to hide.

Anniebach

I am not clutching at straws , I ask why the teenage boys who
probably have been raised from birth to steal etc are evil yet
this 15 year old girl is an innocent.

Sorry but all your posts seem to be in support of PA. Is this correct ?
Agreed he has not been officially found guilty as yet but things do look quite damning, if only as regards his continued friendship with Epstein.

I could not hold my head high if he were my father.

Charleygirl5, why on earth should his kids be ashamed. They have absolutely no control over what their father does. I speak as someone who has just discovered her father is a peadophile and will go to prison for a long time. My mother is distraught even though they divorced when I was a very young child because she chose someone like that for my parentage. What he does, does not define me in any way at all. That old saying about the "sins of the parents" not being visited on the children should hold true.

I am not clutching at straws , I ask why the teenage boys who
probably have been raised from birth to steal etc are evil yet
this 15 year old girl is an innocent.

You really are clutching at straws now Anniebach - two entirely different cases. Those boys in the PC Harper case chose to go out to steal, they were aware he was being dragged by their vehicle and were reckless as to what would happen to him.

These young girls were groomed, manipulated and abused - they did not seek out Epstein and Maxwell and expect to be made to have sex with older powerful men

Why is this girl an innocent yet the teenagers in the PC Harper
case evil ? Her parents approved , their parents quite possibly
approved

What a good job you are in the minority then
Hear hear.

It keeps coming back to the question of why PA won't give a face to face interview to the FBI - they have previously said they are willing to travel to UK as he is obviously reluctant to travel to US.

eazybee that was a truly contemptible remark to make about a woman who when still a child was manipulated and controlled by older powerful people. In a statement she said the first time she had no idea what was going on, how to deal with it or how to get away.

Would you say the same about the young girls abused in Rochdale because they were given gifts and drugs, or is it different in the case of Epstein and Maxwell because they were rich?

But - the job description as described by Maxwell was quite different to the reality.

eazybee

Not my words; quoted from the deposition made by her lawyers.
I would not describe her as a trafficked girl; as I understand it a girl who went willingly and knowingly into whatever it was she did while in the employ of Epstein, with the knowledge of her parents. I do not know how long she worked for him or what she was paid, but again it is my understanding that she was not coerced and could have left at any time.
What Epstein did was depraved and he was rightly being pursued. But she, having already received an undisclosed sum from Maxwell, and thwarted in her intention to claim money from Epstein's estate, is now pursuing others involved for more money. She may well find herself prosecuted for conspiracy to blackmail.
Would you have behaved as she did, aged fifteen, and older? I know I would not, and that is how I judge her.

What a good job you are in the minority then.

The girls were groomed and raped.

The pattern was repeated time after time.

Girls from poor backgrounds promised the Earth including a good education.

Not my words; quoted from the deposition made by her lawyers.
I would not describe her as a trafficked girl; as I understand it a girl who went willingly and knowingly into whatever it was she did while in the employ of Epstein, with the knowledge of her parents. I do not know how long she worked for him or what she was paid, but again it is my understanding that she was not coerced and could have left at any time.
What Epstein did was depraved and he was rightly being pursued. But she, having already received an undisclosed sum from Maxwell, and thwarted in her intention to claim money from Epstein's estate, is now pursuing others involved for more money. She may well find herself prosecuted for conspiracy to blackmail.
Would you have behaved as she did, aged fifteen, and older? I know I would not, and that is how I judge her.

More unpleasant photos of Windsor beginning to emerge.

For Monarchists trying to push 'bad apple' theory of #princeAndrew...

The palace have been completely supportive of him & unwilling to help the
@FBI

The Queen proudly awarded Andrew a medal when scandal broke.

@RoyalFamily
are hidden from scrutiny by state enforced secrecy

Well done @Channel4News who reported on the Prince Andrew scandal. As far as I know, the only UK TV channel to do so.

eazybee what an unpleasant remark that was about a trafficked girl who suffered, in your words sexual abuse.

eazybee I see you missed the vital words...she was to report on "the sexual ABUSE" ,Women who cant see the issues of young girls being controlled by rich powerful men and USED area mystery to me.I take it you would be happy to see your daughter treated in the same way? Abuse starts with CONTROL ,then the victim cant see the abuse for what it is .What a sad individual you are

Nothing on SKY news either , perhaps because they are claimed allegations

I wonder why there's no mention of the PA updates on the BBC news?

PA was trying to protect So to make it easier on him He is not that stupid.

Roberts was an innocent trafficked by Maxwell to powerful men

She deserves all damages compensation And these powerful men whomever they are should be forced to face justice.

Trump on video 2015 was heard saying the island is an absolute cesspool ask prince Andrew he knows.

What an unpleasant whore Guiffre is.

She was a child of 17 when she was trafficked into the sex trade by Epstein and Maxwell; not a whore. And she's a respectable married mother of 3 now; not a whore.

I agree NotSpaghetti , when this sort of thing is spoken of
it reminds me of a woman ,some years ago, who was asked why she travelled from Scotland to a prison in England every
month to visit her son, a mass murderer, she said -
He is my son.

Isn’t it amazing how siblings can turn out so differently?

I watched the tv programme last week about Princess Anne. She came across just as we had always imagined her to be, a hardworking, no fuss no nonsense Royal just getting on with her 500 + engagements a year.

Then we have the spoiled, petulant, self indulgent waste of space that is Andrew.

Thank you eazybee