I’m beginning to feel sorry for Prince Andrew.

Annie Bach you seem to have a particular view about how women should behave if something has happened to them. It just doesnt work like that.

I have a photo of my mum and dad with some local aristocracy taken at a function they attended in the 1950s. They weren't even with the people just standing near them when the photo was taken. Been kept for its amusement value- "us with Lord and Lady X" goodness knows what they would have done with a photo of royalty but they would definitely have kept it.

The photograph was taken in 2001, she speaks of the horrors
of sex with him yet kept the photograph, his denial
of meeting her was 2020. Did she planned to claim abuse in the future yet had married and started a new life .

I do not believe she kept the photograph because she planned
one day in the future she would accuse him of abuse. Surely
if starting a new life one wouldn’t want to keep a photograph
of someone who you thought was revolting

Yes trisher a photograph with royalty ,

I know people who have binned all the photos of their ex-husbands Antnie I know people who haven't. Strangely enough not everyone behaves in an identical way or to meet the expectations of other people.

trisher I can understand keeping a photograph of an ex husband , but of a rapist ?

annie I can’t work out why you are constantly making excuse after excuse for Prince Andrew He could clear all of this up in a heartbeat if he’s innocent his silence shrieks of guilt

Young girls or boys can be manipulated (especially when wealth or fame is involved) look at the young girls Jimmy Saville involved in his sexual life because of his money and fame certainly, not his looks
It is never right for a 50/60/year old man to have sex with a 17/18 year old even if they are all over him like a rash He was the adult in this situation and whether it was forced or welcomed in those teenage years it’s always wrong
I remember I had an acquaintance as a 16 year old who thought it was wonderful she had spent the night with Gary Glitter in his hotel room I wonder if she thinks it’s so wonderful now and how badly wrong it could have all gone

So what if she kept his photo? I don't get that stick to beat her with. Monica Lewinsky kept a dress which proved her relationship with BC. The point is that PA chose friends with very dubious interests. He has put himself in a position where he now has to clear his name. Only he knows the truth if what happened. We can take sides but it is all speculation fuelled by what we read in the media. Unless one of us has first hand knowledge, of course.

... I can’t work out why you are constantly making excuse after excuse for Prince Andrew He could clear all of this up in a heartbeat if he’s innocent his silence shrieks of guilt

He couldn't though, could he? Not really.

It's all a case of he says, she says and that's about it

He tried to clear it up with the disastrous interview he gave

That photograph with Guffiree proves nothing, any girl could sidle up to a celebrity and ask for a photo without identifying themselves, in modern times it would be a selfie. Of course she is going to dish the dirt she is being paid for her story

If that is all the evidence is, it’s rubbish, there is no evidence that PA did anything illegal, he may well be an arrogant fool who has brought himself a load of trouble. To brand him a criminal is unreasonable

Oopsminty he could however improve the public perception of him by going to the States and helping the FBI.

Hi trisher

I think he's beyond help to be honest.

Is he a rapist Anniebach? If he did have sex with a 17 year old it's not necessarily rape. She was over 16. She had a lovely time in wealthy circles and seems to want to be cashing in now. There's a world of difference between educated girls like her and the poor girls lost in council care and targeted and drugged by those unscrupulous Asian men.

Is he a rapist now? Where did that come from?

Bluebell again - I am not making excuses for Andrew, and not taking sides in all this.

Did Lewinsky keep the dress with a plan to go public in ten years time ?

I unlike all here do not believe all Guiffrie claims, I believe
she had sex with Andrew and he lied, as for remembering the night he went to buy pizza ten years ago ? Codswallop.

Guiffrie married to escape from Epstein yet she said when
working for him she took a break from sex work .

Jane10 I do not think he is a rapist , and yes a difference between those poor girls in council care who were drugged and abused

Are you saying that if the girls in Rotherham had an education(and I am not aware of any evidence that they did or didn't) what happened to them would have been ok. The law does not operate like that, thankfully.

It's actually exactly the same type of thing. Person after person said those girls knew what they were doing, they took gifts from them, they said they were in relationships, what you are saying about the girls with Epstein and those who supported him is exactly what was said about the children in rotherham.

I remember being saddened in Monte Carlo to see what looked like very young girls all dressed up trying to catch the eye of the wealthy men around. At that level it can be a two way street.

Jane10 are you claiming that the 'very young girls' are as much to blame as the wealthy men?
How young are we talking?

I have no sympathy for Andrew, although the girl in question was over the UK age of consent and was not a child.

Jane10

Is he a rapist Anniebach? If he did have sex with a 17 year old it's not necessarily rape. She was over 16. She had a lovely time in wealthy circles and seems to want to be cashing in now. There's a world of difference between educated girls like her and the poor girls lost in council care and targeted and drugged by those unscrupulous Asian men.

Absolutely Jane....although it appears many here cannot tell the difference.
The young women involved with PA appeared to enjoy their lifestyle for years.

I don’t think Annie was meaning that though.

Anniebach

trisher I can understand keeping a photograph of an ex husband , but of a rapist ?

By rapist did you mean Andrew?

I really think that what Annie means is that the young woman would not have kept a photo if PA had been a rapist.

Not by me Parsley by Guiffrie, she claims she was raped and she kept the photograph of her alleged rapist,

paddyanne
Too true, teenagers are horrendous at times difficult at times aren’t they?
They’re all good people now though, like your girl.