I don’t understand why

I would not go except my daughter and grandchildren now live in Lanzarote. It is very hard.

The airline industry would be destroyed with many thousands of jobs here and abroad in the tourist industry.

I'm planning on flying before the end of the year, staying away for a few months - it's been planned for well over a year. Personally I'd feel more at risk in a cafe or restaurant, and no amount of discount will get me in one!

Dr Hilary Jones says that the HEPA filters on aircraft do not filter out the virus as is is too small for the HEPA filters to filter out. I know he is one of many experts putting their oar in but I have a lot of respect for him and personally I would not take the risk. That aside I would not get on a plane at this time because of the morons that do not think it important to stick to the rules on the flights.

I flew within UK only two weeks ago. Airports basically empty. Most people had face masks and were worn on the plane. There were though and already mentioned on previous post, young people with masks round their chin or only on their mouth. At airport a group took forever to have a snack in the waiting area, that did kind of worry me. The plane journey was fine.

Because they are totally selfish.
OK have a holiday but have it in the UK. All those who insist that they have to go abroad are the first ones to blame the government when things go wrong and they have to try to get back to the UK on a deadline.
Like the ones returning from Zante at the moment, those refusing to go into quarantine for 14 days should be immediately fined £1000.

Re someone asking about planes having social distancing measures, I checked with aer lingus and easyJet as son lives in N I, but it’s not seemingly economical for them to do that. They said planes cleaned and everone should wear masks, but that’s the problem will they !! So decided against just now, maybe if this goes on for long time might have to think again

I usually go to France for 6 weeks in summer but did not go anywhere this year. Really the government should have banned all non essential air travel for the summer and then reassess situation. I find it annoying and selfish of people to fly abroad on holiday to countries where infection rates are far higher than UK and then bring infections back to infect others who have very sensibly stayed at home. Just shows what a selfish society we live in.

I agree with your post. The more people travel and circulate, the higher the risk for the country, indeed the world. The risk may be small but if the government doesn’t see the figures they want, through the coming months, we all could spend the winter in lockdown. It seems the population is divided between those that think mainly of themselves and those that act for the collective. There can be no actual need for a foreign holiday , or any holiday come to that, for just one year.

Since retiring we have had the time to go away where and when we want. We don't do beach holidays, but have been seeing the world. This has obviously come to a halt. DH won't even contemplate a UK holiday as he says he has seen all of Britain that he ever wants to see. I am sick of looking at these four walls but probably won't fly until something is 'sorted out'.

We have cancelled our holiday to India and lost the deposit. I can't see us getting on a plane for a long time - if ever. We are having a new kitchen and bathroom instead.

Apparently there's a lot of air exchange on planes which makes it ok as long as people are adhering to regulations. I know people who have decided to make the risk assessment and go. Can't say that I blame them.

If I had a long-awaited trip planned to see family abroad, or if cancelling a pre-booked holiday meant losing a lot of money I could ill afford, then I’d probably go, taking all possible precautions.

Otherwise, I can’t see the lure of an overseas holiday at the moment. Surely the whole point is to relax, not compatible in my view with wearing a mask, keeping your distance from others, checking out the restaurants’ cleansing procedures and keeping an eye on the news in case you have to book an emergency flight home in the middle of the night. I can’t remember the last year we had without a trip abroad, but we’ll sit this one out.

I think Doodledog is spot on about 'want' becoming 'need'. Mental health is, of course, important but it's like journalists have only just discovered the possibility of poor mental health and go on about it all the time. It's amazing that some of us can put one foot in front of the other by the sound of it sometimes.

I have to admire my neighbour who usually has 4/5 holidays every year and who hasn't voiced her disappointment at staying put this year. She values her health and is determined not to put herself at risk so that when it's safe once again she can carry on. Isn't that the way to go ?

With many, there seems to be an unnecessary urgency that they must fly off somewhere, without thought of others least of all themselves. Why ?
I'm with BlueBelle here----what's a year ?

I didn't have a holiday last year but flew numerous times to the UK to help out with my Mum and to the US to help out with the DGC. Now my mother has died and the young family have moved back to Germany, I shan't be flying this year. (Returned from UK in March just before lock down where I had been dealing with probate and mother's belongings with my sister.

As with the UK people are tending to have holidays at home so we may have a weekend maybe on Lake Constance or in Bavaria later in the autumn. Bavaria is clamping down with more restrictions, but we can also go to the Black Forest which is an hour or two's drive away.

I don't know if the ferries are running again but when I go to the UK again I might suggest we go by car as I'm not sure about the air on planes either.

I think we have been conditioned to confuse 'want' with 'need', and to see anything that stops us from doing what we want to do as bad for our mental health.

The number of journalists saying that getting away is necessary for the mental health of the nation really irritated me when so many were observing a strict lockdown, and others feared for their jobs, mortgages and livelihoods.

I like a holiday as much as the next person, but holidays are not essential - it's not that long ago that very few people ever went abroad, never mind saw an annual holiday as a necessity on which their sanity depends.

Wouldn't contemplate flying abroad right now. Just not that desperate for a foreign holiday.
We've booked a break in the North West of Scotland next month. That'll do us for now.

I’ve just come back from Portugal, private villa, very nice it was too, family holiday, debated long and hard whether to go or not, my sons persuaded me, masked and sanitised all the way, went out to dinner twice, all very safe and tables suitably apart, going well so far, but, after three glasses of champagne, dived off catamaran, current caught me, rescued by said sons and captain and his dinghy, nearly drowned, my sons said getting Covid would have been less worrying?

I am getting cynical in my old age and wasn't totally convinced by the man who spoke about aircraft air filtration. I'm sure anyone on our flight to San Francisco in 2016 would have caught DH's cold as he did nothing but cough and sneeze the whole way there. Sorry if it was you.

All those on the Tui flight back to Cardiff have to quarantine now for 14 days. People on that flight were not wearing masks or wearing them wrongly. 16 people now have coronavirus and have brought it back to Wales.
I wouldn't risk flying as other people may not be as careful and follow guidelines which would help keep everyone safe.

I think the problem is that a lot of overseas package holidays are a lot cheaper than a holiday in the uk

We are having a few days’ holiday Norfolk in October and cancelled our holiday to Norway which should have been a fortnight ago. Can’t even contemplate the thought of flying until at least next year or until the situation changes significantly &/or a vaccine shows to be effective. Would much rather be safe than sorry. I do feel for people who have family abroad who they obviously would really love to see - it must be very difficult and heartbreaking for them if they decide not to fly at the present time.

phoenix

Mr P and I haven't been in holiday anywhere since 2005!

With you there Phoenix
Paw and I had a week in Ludlow in 2011 and I managed to snatch 4 days on Gotland in Sweden in 2017 visiting DD, both of which were lovely.
Sometimes you just have to cut your coat according to your cloth don’t you?
Fretting about lost deposits or lost holidays gets you nowhere -and if it’s not possible, it’s not possible!

I didnt know that much about the innards of a plane but I listened to PM on radio 4 yesterday talking about the air filtration systems being very good indeed.

Seems though that procedures lapsed. Which although not good is understandable as cabiin crew were stretched too far.

PM available in archive.

You and Yours on Radio 4 often do pieces on how to get your money back with phone ins if it is any use.

Yes, of course understandable people might want to travel to see people. Malaga sounds lovely...