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I know I m going to get my head bitten off but here goes anyway

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BlueBelle Thu 03-Sept-20 16:51:48

I don’t think there’s another thread but if there is I apologise
There are so many (often quite nasty) threads about Harry and Meghan on here and now we have pictures of William and Kate shooting birds while they choose to have their son watching and there’s not a peep of disapproval
Well I think it’s abysmal for a child to watch any kind of killing of animals especially when it’s for pleasure and please don’t bother telling me they need culling ...,it’s a so called sport and I personally think it’s horrendous
now you can all have a go at me

Smileless2012 Thu 03-Sept-20 19:59:58

Where did you see these pictures Bluebell?

merlotgran Thu 03-Sept-20 20:01:03

Chewbacca

Shooting birds for the table, fine. Shooting birds for shits and giggles, not fine.

Grouse are shot for the table.

Not sure about the shits - unless you can't find a handy bush but anyone giggling on a shoot would soon be sent home.

Oopsminty Thu 03-Sept-20 20:02:14

Diana allegedly dubbed her sons the Killer Wales.

Oopsminty Thu 03-Sept-20 20:03:00

merlotgran

Chewbacca

Shooting birds for the table, fine. Shooting birds for shits and giggles, not fine.

Grouse are shot for the table.

Not sure about the shits - unless you can't find a handy bush but anyone giggling on a shoot would soon be sent home.

Oh dear, that made me giggle

MaggieTulliver Thu 03-Sept-20 20:06:29

F...ing toffs

merlotgran Thu 03-Sept-20 20:09:55

As for keeping vast tracts of land for rich people to use as a playground is not so defendable.

Rearing gamebirds like grouse is an industry. An important part of the local economy for that particular area. Gamekeepers, farming and estate workers will have carried on working during Lockdown. Revenue from the shoot pays their wages!

MissAdventure Thu 03-Sept-20 20:10:01

shock
That's torn it!

LauraNorder Thu 03-Sept-20 20:12:59

Kill for food but not for pleasure.

I remember feeling physically ill when I called at a friends house, her eight year old son had blood on his forehead, apparently he had been 'blooded', i.e. smeared with the amputated tail of a dead fox following a hunt they'd been on.

I'm a meat eating country girl but not a barbarian.

merlotgran Thu 03-Sept-20 20:14:10

MissAdventure

shock
That's torn it!

Shouldn't that be Torffs! grin

MissAdventure Thu 03-Sept-20 20:14:49

grin

Chewbacca Thu 03-Sept-20 20:14:53

Exactly Merlotgran, grouse, pheasant, ptarmigan and partridge are all shot for the table; quite legally as from the 12th August. Not just by F...ing toffs either.

trisher Thu 03-Sept-20 20:19:38

But the people taking part in the very expensive shoots are not shooting for their table -they shoot too many to eat themselves. Many of the birds are already earmarked for top restaurants.

merlotgran Thu 03-Sept-20 20:22:55

trisher

But the people taking part in the very expensive shoots are not shooting for their table -they shoot too many to eat themselves. Many of the birds are already earmarked for top restaurants.

Yes. It's an industry. Part of the local economy.

It doesn't matter who eats them.

Chewbacca Thu 03-Sept-20 20:29:45

Many of the birds are already earmarked for top restaurants.

Does it actually matter who eats them?

Curlywhirly Thu 03-Sept-20 20:30:08

LauraNorder spot on.

sparklingsilver28 Thu 03-Sept-20 20:30:11

I grew up with fowl raised for the pot during WW2. Really I cannot see any difference between killing and eating lamb, pork, beef and the shooting and eating birds. As long as all kills are humane then I have no problem.

biba70 Thu 03-Sept-20 20:34:11

I wonder who eats the 1000s of birds of prey killed by the staff working for shooting estates?

merlotgran Thu 03-Sept-20 20:41:12

Shooting birds of prey is illegal.

I wonder who eats the thousands of larks etc., that are killed in Europe?

Chewbacca Thu 03-Sept-20 20:41:49

Which birds of prey are killed in their thousands by estate staff biba? Most birds of prey are protected species, so I'd be very interested to know which estate managers are illegally killing specific birds please.

trisher Thu 03-Sept-20 20:44:22

Chewbaca I do think the idea that it is someone out shooting a couple of birds they will then eat is slightly different to shooting hundreds which are sent off immediately to feed others. I'm not sure I know why.

Anniebach Thu 03-Sept-20 20:46:46

Large estates, top restaurants !

Chewbacca Thu 03-Sept-20 20:49:14

So long as the birds are eaten trisher, I have no issue with who eats them. Just killing the birds and leaving them to rot is a whole different matter.

trisher Thu 03-Sept-20 20:54:23

Chewbacca this might help. I have heard it is the tip of an. iceberg. www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/wildlife-and-the-law/wild-bird-crime/birdcrime-2018/

GrannyGravy13 Thu 03-Sept-20 20:57:17

Merlot I agree with all your posts

MawB2 Thu 03-Sept-20 20:59:15

Now this is truly barbaric - trapping songbirds
From The Guardian
Yves Verilhac, of France’s Ligue pour la Protection des Oiseaux (LPO), knows why. “The singing you can hear is from caged thrushes and blackbirds who are appellants (callers). They’re caught and kept in the dark for months so when they’re taken out into daylight they sing their hearts out and attract other
He points above the treetops where clusters of sticks attached to vertical poles glisten in the nascent sunlight. “Those are verguettes: sticks covered in glue. The callers call, other birds come, land on a verguette, and they’re stuck. The more they struggle to get away, the more they become stuck
The trilling Provençal songbirds are unwitting decoys to lure more birds into a death trap, he says. Once enticed, the birds are either blasted out of the sky by hunters hidden in camouflaged cabins, or find themselves stuck on the sticks
It is a scene with which readers of Roald Dahl’s The Twits – in which the Twits coat branches with glue to catch birds to bake in a pie – will be familiar.
La chasse à la glu – glue-trapping – was banned in the EU by a 1979 bird directive, except in special circumstances where it is “controlled, selective and in limited quantities”. Since 1989, France has invoked these circumstances to permit glue-trapping in five south-east departments on the grounds that it is “traditional”