I know I m going to get my head bitten off but here goes anyway

I remember seeing a pic of the queen wringing a bird's neck years ago
You're obviously not from a farming family, grannyrebel.

If posters are vegetarian or vegan then fine, your comments have value, but surely those who eat meat and fish should worry about the poor life some animals have before going off to be slaughtered, probably by halal methods.

X post quizqueen

So, people who think shooting is fine shouldn't have an opinion on it unless they go out and shoot their dinner each night?
I'm assuming country people eat food from slaughterhouses at times. (Maybe they don't?)

Exactly Callistemon.

That's not what I said, MissA

It has to cut both ways though.
Until or unless nobody ever consumes meat that has been to a slaughterhouse then their views are a moot point, just the same as other meat eaters.

And, seeing as I'm arguing a moot (or meat) point, I'm off to bed.
Sweet dreams all.

Larks, songbirds, badger killing , bull fighting, animals kept in tiny cages, overcrowded hens, bull runs, dancing bears I could go on and on and on but this thread is about William and Kate. You can’t wipe out their story by giving a worse one that’s just defending them
My whole point is animals and birds SHOULD NEVER be killed for PLEASURE whether it’s a tiger elephant or a bird and immaterial of whether they are thrown away or eaten
and it doesn’t matter whose behind the gun it’s WRONG and I expect better of William and Kate especially after their lectures on conservation

There has been a huge rise in illegal killing of birds of prey connected to grouse moors. Yes it’s illegal, but there have been NO prosecutions. Grouse moors are kept to increase the pleasure of those folks who want to blast small birds out of the sky on a jolly. It’s bad for the environment and wildlife, They aren’t all eaten either. The whole practice should be licensed and regulated.
Don’t get me started on how livestock are treated,
www.independent.co.uk/environment/birds-prey-illegal-killing-death-toll-grouse-moor-rspb-a9084026.html

* You can’t wipe out their story by giving a worse one that’s just defending them *. Well put Bluebelle.

Bluebelle I couldn't agree more.

I’m with Chewbacca, Merlotgran and others on this one.

My father still goes fishing for trout and salmon and eats everything he catches (or someone in the family does) and during my childhood he caught rabbits, pheasant and grouse for the table.

He taught us all how to prepare the carcasses for the oven so I’m not squeamish on that score either. I stopped my car once on a country road as someone had winged a pheasant and it was in agony. I pulled it’s neck, popped it in the boot and we ate it a week later - I will always believe I did the right thing.

Very few foods are produced without creatures being harmed so I’d shut up rather than be called a hypocrite.

If you are vegetarian, then eating any living thing is not acceptable to you. I am not a vegetarian, so all the fish, meat and chicken I eat had to be killed to provide food. I have reliably sourced produce, reared naturally and then humanely killed. If you went into a commercial chicken factiry it would horrify you and possibly put anyone from eating it again. Shooting is a clean kill, prefable to the factory method. I could never kill anything, but I eat what others have, as does anyone who is not vegetarian. I am not bothered by country people shooting their good, better than trapping or a factory. I think a lot of people never think how food gets to their plates, so if it offends you give up eating whatever you object to. As for children watching the process, this is part and parcel of country life and death, natural processes, not gratuous violence portrayed on screen almost daily or in the papers.

This isn’t about defending meat eating - it’s about shooting grouse for fun, and deliberately destroying wildlife and the environment in the process. The whole “sport” should be regulated to outlaw these obscenities.

There is a whole”trophy hunting” industry too - people pay to kill wildlife and have their pictures taken with the dead body. Horrible. It happens in this country btw.

Vegansrock, your comments are so far off the mark. They are not killing endangered species and trophy hunting for fun. You know little of country lufe if you think that. What about deer culls? Your views are your own, I take it you don't wear leather or wool or anything that comes off an animal? That is your choice and very worthy too. It gets on my wick all this judgement from those that demand their way is one only way.

quizqueen good post.
An interesting factoid that most of the venison eaten in Scotland is imported, farmed deer from NZ.
I don't like seeing deer farmed but perhaps we can get used to anything!

Your post BlueBelle has grown arms and legs - or is that wings. The subject provokes strong feelings.

But they are killing endangered species sparkling , hen harriers, eagles and mountain hares are killed in Scotland to protect the grouse moors so people can enjoy shooting these hapless birds. NO PROSECUTIONS. Trophy hunters throughout the world kill endangered species - one of the reasons they are endangered. People can pay to kill stags in this country just to have their photos taken with the dead animal- not to eat it or for any legitimate reason.

Im not demanding my way or no way sparking , I think grouse shooting should be licensed and regulated and anyone killing protected wildlife prosecuted. At the moment people involved in this “sport”: can get away with destroying the environment and other wildlife with no repercussions.

Yes, this feted couple can do no wrong. Personally not a great fan of either.

Exactly. It’s the sport element that is wrong. When I was young, we were poor and ate everything my father shot. Fair enough. But it gradually developed into a sport for him. He once delightedly showed me two geese he had killed. No intention of eating them. I was horrified.

Slowly change is happening. People whose way of life depends on the industry that is "country pursuits" for want of a better expression cannot be expected to suddenly become Townies, like the rest of the population.
But there is a growing distaste for the Feudal system operated on these great Sporting estates
Public opinion, as shown on this thread (and I'm sure the Queen must be aware ) is very powerful.
I read recently that the Duke of Buccleuch is selling some of his land to a local community who in turn are getting grants from the government to help with the purchase.
www.tatler.com/article/duke-of-buccleuch-puts-wanlockhead-scotland-up-for-sale

Keeping budgies in cages is cruel, same with rabbits, hamsters, guinea pigs, rats , rabbits etc, as is keeping house cats,

Why are people constantly changing the thread into a meat eater versus vegetarian thread

ITS NOT written for that... .that’s a personal choice

it’s about killing for entertainment pleasure and fun
If the queen was running a puppy farm if Kate was seen shooting a cat you d all be up in arms (except the few that would defend the Royals come hell or high water) but because they are ‘only‘ birds and the birds are bred solely to be killed by ‘country folk’ it’s all ok ....well let’s breed tome kittens set them loose and see who can kill the most
The trophy hunter is a criminal in my eyes and bagging the most dead birds with your son watching is on a par

Anniebach what does that have to do with grouse shooting ? Come what may it’s saint William and saint Kate.