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Why don’t Brits like Trump

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Esspee Fri 06-Nov-20 14:46:55

I have received an enquiry from America asking me to explain why we Brits dislike Trump so much.
I have a list, quite a long list, but wondered if any gransnetters might like to add to it today.

Bathsheba Fri 06-Nov-20 17:56:50

What a brilliant piece of writing! Thank you gill57, it's spot on.

lemongrove Fri 06-Nov-20 17:48:01

No we don’t Monica .....that’s a silly phrase trotted out because it sounds fun.
They are both blonde haired and big men....that’s where it ends.
Johnson is a wet liberal compared to Trump.

MamaCaz Fri 06-Nov-20 17:47:59

What can I say - Nate White must have read my mind, because he has written exactly what I would have written if only I was as articulate as he clearly is!

M0nica Fri 06-Nov-20 17:42:35

Bear in mind we have Trump-Lite in charge in this country and it was only last year that an awful lot of people voted him in as leader of the Conservative party.

lemongrove Fri 06-Nov-20 17:35:34

70 million Americans have just voted for DT ( that’s a lot!) and must amaze most people in the UK I should think??
Plenty of Americans can see what he’s like of course.
I don’t know ( there hasn’t been a survey) how many in the UK like him.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 17:25:24

gill57 exactly! Brilliant

Oopsminty Fri 06-Nov-20 17:21:19

I think Nate hit the nail on the head

But whatever we think of Trump, he had millions of Americans voting for him

More women, ethnic minorities.

He got more votes than he did in 2016

So he is appealing to some people.

DiscoDancer1975 Fri 06-Nov-20 17:17:13

He’s not a member of the human race. I don’t know what he is. Gill. That was a brilliant piece of writing. I could well believe he/ it was put together in a lab somewhere!

NotSpaghetti Fri 06-Nov-20 17:09:29

Namsnanny

Wonderful Gill57 so glad you went to all that trouble! grin

It does go to show just how disenfranchised the groups who voted for him must feel though.
To ignore all of the above and still feel he is the only one they can trust!

This is so true, so sad, so terrible.

eazybee Fri 06-Nov-20 16:57:50

Do the friends in America give the reasons why they do like Trump?

Callistemon Fri 06-Nov-20 16:46:28

Thank you, GillT57. It's interesting, though, that he had a British mother but can't have inherited much from her.
Is there no beginning to his talents?

Luckygirl Fri 06-Nov-20 16:41:21

My DD pointed out to me that when she was studying psychology she saw an experiment to find out at what age children realise that you have to abide by the rules of games, even if you are losing - it was 7 years. So.....now we know.....Trump is functioning at the level of a 6 year-old.

Esspee Fri 06-Nov-20 16:40:59

GillT57. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. What a wonderfully well written piece.
I shall forward that with full attribution and will be looking up more of Nate White’s writing.

Septimia Fri 06-Nov-20 16:32:40

He behaves like a spoilt brat and when he doesn't get his own way he has a pet lip and throws a tantrum.

I'm not in favour of violence but I'm afraid he's got the sort of face that I want to slap - because of the expression on it.

Mwdebbie Fri 06-Nov-20 16:27:06

For me it’s not to do with (me) being British - he’s a liar, a bully, a misogynistic, homophobic racist, and that’s before we turn to his ‘policies’

Juliet27 Fri 06-Nov-20 16:21:30

I'd read that before GillT57 but couldn't remember where so I'm so glad you posted it. Already forwarded to my American friends who will love it.

Davida1968 Fri 06-Nov-20 16:20:34

I am terrified for the future of my DGC, should Trump get another term. Simple as that.

phoenix Fri 06-Nov-20 16:17:04

Bravo, GillT57! I for one applaud you post.

M0nica Fri 06-Nov-20 16:09:55

I have already foound a reference online to post on to my friends, apart from anything else it is the sheer quality of the prose, it is almost blank verse - and it is so true.

Thank you GillT57

Lollin Fri 06-Nov-20 15:51:27

I'm surprised they feel the need to ask because to me every time he tweets or gives one of his speeches it's plainly obvious, never mind whether you understand politics or not.

Namsnanny Fri 06-Nov-20 15:50:13

Wonderful Gill57 so glad you went to all that trouble! grin

It does go to show just how disenfranchised the groups who voted for him must feel though.
To ignore all of the above and still feel he is the only one they can trust!

GillT57 Fri 06-Nov-20 15:48:43

I think the writer was just trying to put a very British, polite view forward Lucky! I love Shakespeare of Shit . He has truly nailed the description, no humour, no irony.........but politely omitted the madness, racism, sexism...........grin

Luckygirl Fri 06-Nov-20 15:36:34

Brilliant - but has failed to mention that he is also certifiably insane.

GillT57 Fri 06-Nov-20 15:31:15

Sorry about the massive cut and paste, but this sums up Trump beautifully and eloquently.

GillT57 Fri 06-Nov-20 15:30:37

Someone on Quora asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?" Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind.
Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump's limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.
I don't say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
But with Trump, it's a fact. He doesn't even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.
And scarily, he doesn't just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It's all surface.
Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.
Well, we don't. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.
And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.
Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He's not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.
He's more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.
There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy' is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.
After all, it's impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.
He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
'My God... what... have... I... created?
If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
Source: jobsanger: British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I've Read