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Why don’t Brits like Trump

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Esspee Fri 06-Nov-20 14:46:55

I have received an enquiry from America asking me to explain why we Brits dislike Trump so much.
I have a list, quite a long list, but wondered if any gransnetters might like to add to it today.

Riverwalk Fri 06-Nov-20 14:51:12

For the same reasons that the majority of the people of the US dislike him so much.

Nothing to add that hasn't been said a million times!

Astral Fri 06-Nov-20 14:55:19

Because he isn't likeable.

That's the overall gist anyway.

Pantglas2 Fri 06-Nov-20 14:56:38

He’s Marmite - bit like most politicians!

Ilovecheese Fri 06-Nov-20 14:59:57

I didn't have an opinion one way or the other until I read that he suggested grabbing women "by the pussy" I went off him a bit then.

Oopsminty Fri 06-Nov-20 15:03:46

Do Americans get this excited when we have our elections?

SilentGames Fri 06-Nov-20 15:07:21

Either way I couldn’t really say. He certainly is not gifted with the gab like the previous President. I did read that Trump does not take a salary which he donates to good causes whereas the previous President came out a extremely rich man due to the very good speeches he gave out. Obama came across as very charismatic but whether his intentions were better I wouldn’t know.

phoenix Fri 06-Nov-20 15:08:12

Because he's Dagenham Donald (close to barking) he thinks he's the best thing in the world, behaves like a spoilt child, kept a lady in her nineties waiting for over 15 minutes, is totally fake in appearance (hair and tan) has said some truly awful things about his attitude to women.....................

Lucca Fri 06-Nov-20 15:08:36


Do Americans get this excited when we have our elections?

Its only because of the sheer odiousness of Trump

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 15:11:26


Do Americans get this excited when we have our elections?

Don’t forget it is going to have a direct affect on the U.K.

Teetime Fri 06-Nov-20 15:13:42

Well he's every 'ist' you can mention.

Juliet27 Fri 06-Nov-20 15:13:57

Because we're not taken in by his lies, exaggerations, tantrums and posturing.

BlueBelle Fri 06-Nov-20 15:23:09

How could any American ask that question
My American friends and family out there have just the same opinion as I do
Barking, dangerous, arrogant, sexist, racist, shall I keep going I m sue I can think of many more reasons

GillT57 Fri 06-Nov-20 15:30:37

Someone on Quora asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?" Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind.
Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump's limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.
I don't say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
But with Trump, it's a fact. He doesn't even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.
And scarily, he doesn't just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It's all surface.
Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.
Well, we don't. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.
And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.
Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He's not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.
He's more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.
There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy' is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.
After all, it's impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.
He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
'My God... what... have... I... created?
If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
Source: jobsanger: British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I've Read

GillT57 Fri 06-Nov-20 15:31:15

Sorry about the massive cut and paste, but this sums up Trump beautifully and eloquently.

Luckygirl Fri 06-Nov-20 15:36:34

Brilliant - but has failed to mention that he is also certifiably insane.

GillT57 Fri 06-Nov-20 15:48:43

I think the writer was just trying to put a very British, polite view forward Lucky! I love Shakespeare of Shit . He has truly nailed the description, no humour, no irony.........but politely omitted the madness, racism, sexism...........grin

Namsnanny Fri 06-Nov-20 15:50:13

Wonderful Gill57 so glad you went to all that trouble! grin

It does go to show just how disenfranchised the groups who voted for him must feel though.
To ignore all of the above and still feel he is the only one they can trust!

Lollin Fri 06-Nov-20 15:51:27

I'm surprised they feel the need to ask because to me every time he tweets or gives one of his speeches it's plainly obvious, never mind whether you understand politics or not.

M0nica Fri 06-Nov-20 16:09:55

I have already foound a reference online to post on to my friends, apart from anything else it is the sheer quality of the prose, it is almost blank verse - and it is so true.

Thank you GillT57

phoenix Fri 06-Nov-20 16:17:04

Bravo, GillT57! I for one applaud you post.

Davida1968 Fri 06-Nov-20 16:20:34

I am terrified for the future of my DGC, should Trump get another term. Simple as that.

Juliet27 Fri 06-Nov-20 16:21:30

I'd read that before GillT57 but couldn't remember where so I'm so glad you posted it. Already forwarded to my American friends who will love it.

Mwdebbie Fri 06-Nov-20 16:27:06

For me it’s not to do with (me) being British - he’s a liar, a bully, a misogynistic, homophobic racist, and that’s before we turn to his ‘policies’

Septimia Fri 06-Nov-20 16:32:40

He behaves like a spoilt brat and when he doesn't get his own way he has a pet lip and throws a tantrum.

I'm not in favour of violence but I'm afraid he's got the sort of face that I want to slap - because of the expression on it.