Which tier after lockdown?

Meant to add that unfortunately there are many thousands of people like the poster above who intend to ignore all rules and advice because they “know better”.
They act as if they really intend to ensure this pandemic never ends.
I sincerely hope they never have to experience this dreadful illness or watch a loved one die too soon.
If they did, perhaps they would consider that if everyone played their part, the worst would be over sooner.

Without the tiers some areas would be overwhelmed. The hospitals are often at their busiest over winter. Can you imagine trying to cope with the usual numbers plus huge surges of Covid patents?
Having read and talked (phone) about this I’m honestly baffled at the number of people who somehow think getting together with elderly relatives is “safe” just because “it’s Christmas” and “it’s allowed”.
After several households get together at Christmas, there will be another surge. It will definitely happen. The virus is still with us and it doesn’t respect Christmas.
I feel sad at the thought of all the impending serious illnesses that many people have spent all year trying to avoid.

I live in Scotland and the number of cases per 100,000 in the town I live is zero. 10 miles away is an area where the number is 308. We're in the same Local Authority, so we're on the same Level, which is Level 3.

I could stamp my feet watermeadow, call it the "plague" and say I'm not going to keep the rules either, but I've got more sense and I'm going to put up with it because the line has to be drawn somewhere, our local authority are doing their best. Life is hard for everyone but ignoring the rules is the thing that's DAFT.

I live in a small sleepy market town. I don’t know of anyone who has actually caught the plague and nobody has died of it. We have one supermarket and nobody is more than ten minute’s walk from open countryside.
The nearest big town is twelve miles away.
We will be in Tier 2, the same as Liverpool and London. This is DAFT and makes me so mad that I shall be ignoring it all.

Perhaps it’s partly to do with more medical facilities, or a younger demographic?

It would appear to me that London is being favoured yet again. With higher infection rates than a lot of other areas in tier 3 what is the justification for them being in tier 2?

Tier 3 here in Bristol - hardly surprising as we have nearly double the case numbers of the UK average. I think we should have stayed in full nationwide lockdown for another 2 weeks - this two weeks is proving to have driven case numbers down, just 2 more weeks might mean we could have most businesses back open before Christmas.

Tier 3 in Northumberland but as suzie has already mentioned many factors have to be considered. So although I must admit to being a little disappointed it’s all for the good of everyone.

The R number for the UK is below 1 for the first time since August. The latest estimate of the growth rate of the virus has also fallen, to between -2% and 0%, which indicates that the number of new infections each day is coming down.
. . . the impact of the second lockdown in England, which began on 5 November, cannot be fully evaluated yet, and adds that R "may be below 1 for all regions already" in England.
Let's keep it that way!

Tier 3 here in North Somerset too which seems strange when London is in tier 2. I think our infection rate is being lumped in with Bristol (which will probably drop a lot when the students go home). However, nothing to do but accept it and, to be honest, it really won'tbother us too much. We have got a little routine going that includes a walk each day and I have taken up writing short stories for womens' mags.

Tier 3 in Bradford. Not at all unexpected as we were about to go into it just before the second lockdown. Step daughter is in tier 2 in Harrogate so have to convince her she can't visit or stay with us.

Tier 3 in west/York's not surprised our numbers are not going down despite us being instruct measures throughout .

Ellianne

With many people now feeling hard done by the tiers, maybe, just maybe, people will actually start to listen to the guidance and act accordingly. It does now look like they are getting fed up.

It could be that they're fed up and act even more recklessly because they don't see the point and haven't listened to some of the nonsense floating about.

polnan

Just on the verge of an argument here

we are in tier 2

this is what the Gov.uk site says

In tier 2:

you must not socialise with anyone you do not live with or who is not in your support bubble in any indoor setting, whether at home or in a public place

so tell me someone,, what is the point of restuarants etc being open if only those already living together or support can use them?

am I really being thick?

That was the case with Tier 2 before the latest lockdown. Yes, it means you can't socialise with people from another household inside a restaurant. You can only eat with a live-in partner or family.

With many people now feeling hard done by the tiers, maybe, just maybe, people will actually start to listen to the guidance and act accordingly. It does now look like they are getting fed up.

Susieq62
I have sent you a PM.

Criteria to decide tiers, posted by Susiewoozie earlier -
^case detection rates in all age groups
case detection rates in the over 60s
the rate at which cases are rising or falling
positivity rate (the number of positive cases detected as a percentage of tests taken)
pressure on the NHS^

So it doesn’t matter what is happening in local villages but what is happening in the towns and cities where people work and in the local hospital.
Thanks Suziewoozie very helpful explanation, puts it in to perspective.

Tier 3, Greater Manchester. With the exception of a couple of weeks we've been under some sort of severe lockdown since March. I'm heartily fed up of it.
How can gyms be kept open but fitness classes seen as unsafe? You can't have a family group fitness class as you need 15 to 20 people to make it financially viable. For me, and many older people, mainly women, Pilates is essential to keep pain and stiffness at bay from Arthritis. I think the Government just see classes as catering for mainly female, older participants, a group they don't care about and feel free to ignore.

Tier 2 here in Somerset. Low numbers where we live but needs must and we just all have to get on with it. Roll on the vaccine and spring!!

Tier 2 in East Anglia. I'm not surprised.

The virus has no respect for county boundaries so we just have to be sensible and follow the rules.

Here in Leicester we have never been out of restrictions. When we come out of lock down, we go into Tier 3 as expected. Our numbers are still very high.

Makes no difference to DH and I, anyway, as we have lived under self-imposed house arrest since March. As far as our family is concerned, our DD has had Covid, as has BiL and two of his sons. All are still suffering from the after effects. The sister of BiL's late wife is on a ventilator in a coma. At the moment, things don't seem to be getting any better.

Tier 3 as we were pre lockdown. I think rather than extending lockdown the government have brought in the stricter tier system to try and get the R rate as low as possible before the rises the Christmas mixing will cause. After the 5 days I think we’ll be back to, perhaps, even more tier 3 areas

You can still go out and enjoy a meal etc with your other half, or in your bubble. It may not be quite as much fun as going out with a group of friends, but it’s better than nothing.

Just on the verge of an argument here

we are in tier 2

this is what the Gov.uk site says

In tier 2:

you must not socialise with anyone you do not live with or who is not in your support bubble in any indoor setting, whether at home or in a public place

so tell me someone,, what is the point of restuarants etc being open if only those already living together or support can use them?

am I really being thick?