Amnesty International say - 'no such thing as a ‘biologically female/male body’'

Thanks for the link FarNorth.

youtu.be/9AEoUa0Hlso

Correction...
*Are talking about.

Excellent thread FarNorth
You definitely know what you talking about.

Thankyou.

Transwomen, in general, have similar violence statistics to men, in general.
That might be because of the inclusion of self-identified transwomen, particularly those who are already in prison.

Here is an article written in 2019 by Debbie Hayton, who is a transwoman :
"the overall profile of transgender inmates is a major cause of concern: 48 per cent were incarcerated for sex offences, compared to 19 per cent of the male prison population as a whole. When it comes to offending patterns at least, it seems that transgender women are not at all like women – who account for only 2.2 per cent of sexual offences reported to the police."

www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/resources/are-transgender-prison-wings-answer

That's true trisher and statistically, that violence is against women and perpetrated by men.

I wish people would stop using trans violence as a reason for condemning all trans people. Most are not violent most are just trying to live their life the best way they can. Condemn the violence by all means but stop equating it with transition. There are violent people in all sections of society.

Only women, same old same old. It's the equivalent of all lives matter

Precisely this Galaxy.

Iam64 I was just reading a thread on Mumsnet this evening about a similar transactivist group. I'm at the demands and aggression shown to those that they refer to as cis or terfs.

Feminism always recognised and fought for the things on trisher's list. To dismiss feminism as having 'moved on' from prioritising the rights and needs of women is premature. Violence and threats of violence to women is increasing, rather than diminishing.
Shout out Loud is a feminist group with many younger women members. Trans activists have threatened some of them with rape and other forms of violence, including death. This in response to some in that group expressing concern about prioritising the needs of trans women over biological women.

Yes we are everyone's mother, it was ever thus. It's strange isnt it how those fighting for gay rights aren't told they need to fight for straight people, that disability organisations arent told to fight for those without disabilities. Only women, same old same old. It's the equivalent of all lives matter

The femnist movement has moved on from fighting for just women. It recognises that there are people who need to be fought for as well as women. They are those who are subjected to injustice, those who are dscriminated against, those who suffer under the patriachy. Amongst these are the poor, the underprivileged, those discrimnated against because of their race, their religion or their sexuality. It embraces men who believe as we do and it rejects any who insist on creating division because division is a tool of the patriachy.

So yes women who have killed and stolen and done all sort of terrible things benefit from the fight for single sex prisons, it's a messy business. Feminism for only those who believe what you believe is not feminism at all. I am as committed as it's possible to be to the pro choice movement for example, do I think that those women who voice concerns about abortions should benefit from all that feminism has achieved, of course I do. I dont need people to believe what I believe.

Then let me change that for you Astral:

..and therein lies the nub..... They might look like other women but they are not women. And it is, once again, women and children who are being told that it is they who must accommodate these trans women in their safe spaces, irrespective of what dangers and risks that puts them in. The feminist movement has worked, and continues to work, for the safety and life improvement for women; not for someone who has chosen to present as a woman.

Even the Nazi women who ran concentration camps Galaxy Wow

If you believe in the things I believe in you are my sister. Crikey. My feminism is even for the women I disagree with imagine that.

And it always has cake

If you stand beside me in the fight if you believe in the things I believe in if you care about the things I care about I'm not going to insist you show me your genitals, you are my sister. The feminist movement has worked because it cares and believes people matter, because it includes and it embraces, it does not discriminate and divide.

I think it is wrong to call a trans woman a man. At least saying trans women would show a level of acceptance. Saying man shows none.

I will follow trisher. I hope she has cake.

Not that you will know them anyway they just look like other women

...and therein lies the nub..... They might look like other women but they are not women. And it is, once again, women and children who are being told that it is they who must accommodate these men in their safe spaces, irrespective of what dangers and risks that puts them in. The feminist movement has worked, and continues to work, for the safety and life improvement for women; not for men who have chosen to present as a woman.

Stopping self-identification would be great, you're right.

I wish you'd tell me what scientific evidence on sex change I'm ignoring, tho.

Do you know I have had enough of the lot of you. You pretend that you are actually caring and concerned but you have no solutions. You have no ways of making anything safer. You just want to perpetually moan about how women aren't safe, what a threat transwomen are to other women. Well I leave you to your prejudices because I know this much it doesn't really matter how much you harp on about safe spaces, trans women are here, they live amongst us, They ain't going away and they will continue to use women's loos and changing rooms even if self identification is stopped and it still takes 2 years for transition. So you may as well get used to them (Not that you will know them anyway they just look like other women)

* some women's organisations, I should have said.
Usually those which are required to have a trans-inclusive policy in order to get government funding.

If it is wrong and dangerous to have unisex facilities it is even more dangerous to have spaces which you assure women are safe single sex spaces but which cannot be guaranteed.

Absolutely, it is.
Yet this is what politicians, and women's organisations, are saying without making clear that they will regard some men as being of the female sex.

trisher @ 16.02 Whatever people do, they don't change sex. like the flat-earthers you are entirely entitled to believe that. However you are not enttled to impose your views on anyone particularly those who have changed gender.

I think you're conflating biologically defined sex with the gender that is assigned at birth. According to the WHO:
The World Health Organisation regional office for Europe describes sex as characteristics that are biologically defined, whereas gender is based on socially constructed features. They recognise that there are variations in how people experience gender based upon self perception and expression, and how they behave.

It is worse to tell women that their boundaries are less important than the feelings of men. Safeguarding doesn't work like that trisher so having dbs checks for those who work with children doesnt guarantee safety for children but it is a layer of protection, we dont remove it because it is not 100% foolproof. Single sex spaces are part of a layer of protection.