Rather pay than give in

The UK Government is considering deploying Naval Patrol Boats to protect the Fisherman of the UK in the event of hostile activities by EU Trawlers.

If the EU abide by the new rules they will not be needed.

I agree Parky let's just get out and show them we can survive!!

To prove our fish are ours, all fish will be tattooed with a union flag.
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They're all going to be tagged, Granny23, and, if they stray out of territorial waters, ordered to return and be sent to the chippie.

Are you seriously prepared to pick a military fight with the EU over fish GG? Dear god. People have lost the plot.

Gwenisgreat1

I agree Parky let's just get out and show them we can survive!!

There is no doubt we will “survive”, the object of leaving was to “improve” the U.K.

We are going in exactly the wrong direction.

Nezumi65

Are you seriously prepared to pick a military fight with the EU over fish GG? Dear god. People have lost the plot.

I was just stating the facts, but you are welcome to continue with hysterical embellishments.

Well the talks are continuing after today's deadline so that's a positive.

Maybe we should stop using the word deadline from now on.

Goodness knows what will happen next.

There will be a fishing deal quickly, once we get past 1st January and there is no deal, everything will be negotiated piecemeal.
The talking doesn’t just end, every commodity will be looked at in detail, many will be quick and easy, some will take years, until then WTO tariffs will apply.

If it does get to a shooting war rather than Sabre rattling, all the EU nations will respond together and we aren’t going to like that one bit, so let’s not escalate it.

There seems to have been endless 'last ditch' talks. I suspect it will all evaporate into thousands of small trade deals and agreements and in 10 year time we'll look back and wonder what on earth all that was about.

I'm sure you're right Jane10. It's a political solution that suits Johnson. He can 'stand firm' and then 'sovereignty' can be slowly given away (because that's what a trade deal does) piecemeal over the next 10 years. We'll all suffer but he'll be off next year anyway.

David- for use they will stick together, and the USA will back them too.

''all the EU nations will respond together and we aren’t going to like that one bit, so let’s not escalate it.''

absolutely, but Johnson was utterla stupid and irresponsible, at this crucial time- to respond with gunship threats. The most stupid thing, ever. And as said, anyone who looks at the map quoted above, from Jason Hunter's site- will immediately see British fishing boats are mostly in EU waters currently- and for good reasons. It is absolute nonsense- and we are prepared to scupper all remaining Industry and business, financial services, etc, and destroy our much larger farming sector - to wave fish around with guns. Sheer, utter, irresponsible, dangerous, bravado nonsense.

This is interesting - especially the section on Boosterism. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55286327 I think Johnson is very wrong to think the imposition of tariffs will have limited impact, but I do know Tory Party members who believe that. I hadn't realised he'd become a headbanging Brexiteer, assumed he was doing this for personal gain.

Anyway I guess it explains his cavalier attitude.

What’s the point of catching a load of fish with no one to sell them to?

A rubbish thread

Fancy there being 22 pages on a thread so many people insulted the original OP about posting!

I agree about the headline in today’s edition of the Mail - it is an utter disgrace and was not anything to do with Angela Merkel - it is it seems a phrase Johnson himself uses in private. No German would use that sort of language with the memories it would invoke.
Johnson has done nothing but his divide and hope to rule tactics with EU politicians. If reports are to be believed he ruined the meeting with Ursula van de Leyon within the first few minutes with trying to be clever about the French and Germans,
The day after the referendum Junker gave a speech in which he said the EU would be happy for U.K. to continue to enjoy free trade with the EU as long as they kept the status quo as far as standards etc were concerned. It was all there for the agreeing - and an ‘Oven ready deal’.
Whatever people think about France and the people - they are being extremely good to British people living in France and unfortunately caught up in all the backlash. If you are residing in France legally - i.e. within the systems and declaring tax whether or not there is a need to pay any - there is a very easy application process for gaining a residency card. These have not been needed for many years due to the freedom rights the EU bestowed on everyone.
Interestingly there is a huge flood of British people wanting to now become resident in France prior to 31st December while they are still covered by the WA - which gives many benefits.

A huge % of the country would be opposed to any military action over fish, so I can’t see Johnson getting away with that despite all the nasty xenophobia against the French and Germans this has stirred up. We lost the cod wars against Iceland, it was solved by diplomacy and an agreement. This has to go the same way. All the bluff, bluster and lies which leavers have trotted out - we hold all the cards, the German car industry will ensure we’ve got a good deal, easiest deal in history, we will prosper so much, the rules will fall apart because they can see how well we’ve done etc etc are proving to be false. Now it’s “ we will survive, the sky won’t fall in, we’ll manage.” Forget the country all pulling together that’s not going to happen.

The replies here are very much following the OP's post.

''As for travel, we all managed before freedom of movement and can easily go back.''

WHICH has recently warned about massive hikes re travel insurance. Worse, for those who are over 65, and with pre-existing conditions, those who need dialysis when away - those in remission from cancer, those who previouly had strokes or heart attacks/bypasses, etc- travel Insurance will simply not be available, at any cost. And this is not 'just' about holidays, but those with holiday accommodation abroad, and those wanting to visit grandchildren who live abroad, or other close family.

Been thinking about it, and I know so many friends and family in the UK who will find it very difficult now to either go on holiday (ah well, never mind)- or to go and stay in the second home (some very modest) they bought in good faith in nearby France or other EU, but mainly those whose adult children and grand-children are currently living in the EU or Switzerland- and who, for medical reasons, will not be able to get insurance cover. So sad.

youtu.be/yMrD6iBgpfU

Will this apply to any of you here on GN?

You do all realise, of course- that to Trade under WTO rules, decided by unelected whoever they are- we will have to follow all their rules, without ever having any say whatsoever in them? Yes?

Oh come on biba. For every one of the disabled passengers who have experienced superb assistance during air travel, there is another who has experienced the complete opposite, and it's nothing to do with tueEU, it's down to individual airports. Just a quick glance has revealed many this year alone, including he BBC correspondent Frank Gardner. This perpetual and desperate need to put every woe of foreboding down to the EU is very wearing.

Chewbacca, the physical movement of people from airplane to terra firma is not what Biba is talking about. She is discussing travel insurance, medical cover for when we are out of the country and she is right, people with existing, potentially expensive to treat conditions will effectively be barred from travelling unless they have very deep pockets indeed. This is yet another loss that people were warned about, but politicians dismissed as project fear.

Chewbacca we were at Heathrow and saw Frank Gardner on that occasion. He was not a happy man, and I can quite well understand why.

A few months later we were there when a very upset woman and her angry husband had been waiting for a very long time for her wheelchair to be unloaded - no-one appeared to know where it was or even if it had arrived.

Travel insurance for anyone with pre-existing conditions has always cost a lot of money. No-one with any sense would have travelled without it, to EU countries or anywhere.

What WHICH actually says:
UK holidaymakers travelling in the EU could face hospital bills of £2,000 for food poisoning or £14,000 for a heart attack, if they travel without insurance

Why would anyone have relied on the EHIC alone?

www.which.co.uk/news/2020/12/holidays-after-brexit-without-ehic-holidaymakers-may-face-medical-bills-costing-thousands/

It costs relatively little for a fit young person.

biba70

Been thinking about it, and I know so many friends and family in the UK who will find it very difficult now to either go on holiday (ah well, never mind)- or to go and stay in the second home (some very modest) they bought in good faith in nearby France or other EU, but mainly those whose adult children and grand-children are currently living in the EU or Switzerland- and who, for medical reasons, will not be able to get insurance cover. So sad.

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My personal experience only, but after DH’s transplant we had to shop around various travel insurance companies recommended by the HeptoRenal people . And yes it cost more, as in all the future years once he had listed all his admissions to hospital, operations etc And yes, we were in the EU at the time.
But so what?

So glad for the assurance that these second homes are a) modest and b) bought in good faith. Wouldn’t want to waste sympathy on owners of villas in tax havens would we?
As Donald Trump would say “So sad ”

GillT57

Chewbacca, the physical movement of people from airplane to terra firma is not what Biba is talking about. She is discussing travel insurance, medical cover for when we are out of the country and she is right, people with existing, potentially expensive to treat conditions will effectively be barred from travelling unless they have very deep pockets indeed. This is yet another loss that people were warned about, but politicians dismissed as project fear.

GillT57 only someone very foolish would have travelled to the EU or anywhere if they had pre-existing conditions.