Rather pay than give in

Well said Smileless

How long have you been a GN member, Algerias?

^The fact that she lives in another country seems to make you all think she is fair game.
That is ridiculous, Algerias
Many posters on GN live overseas, not all are British either.
But they do not consistently denigrate the UK and, by default, its people on thread after thread.

Alegrias2

I haven't read every single post that biba70 has ever made, but I haven't seen anything on this thread that makes me think she isn't "loyal" to this country, as though that would matter. The fact that she lives in another country seems to make you all think she is fair game.

Anyone who questions a person's "loyalty" needs to take a good hard look at themselves and wonder if they are influenced by the gutter press's ideas of who the traitors are.

Honestly, we had a post about little Englanders recently. Well here is all the explanation you need. You are piling on and it is shameful.

I haven't read every single post that biba70 has made
Obviously.

petra

^little englanders^
Kitty
Marydoll
Merlotgran
Callistemon
Ellianne
You obviously don't know these posters very well.

Who - me?

???

But this is very different- loyal to my beloved UK I am, which is why I get so passionate and upset about it. And it is about the effects on ourselves, of course- and our children and grandchildren , family and friends. And about the fabulous state services we both served with love and passion.

So why don't you live here now?
I understand the reason why you left but why did you stay in Switzerland and not come back to your beloved UK? Especially if your family is here?

I do understand what it is like to live apart from family but I have family in the UK too. If they were all in one country I would join them, no question.

As did I. Because that would have been the best for us but we are leaving. So stop pulling the country apart.

And, dont accuse me of reading the gutterpress Alegrias just because I think differently from you.

The people who are letting this country down are the ones supporting economic disaster for ideological reasons.

The people who are letting this country down are the ones who constantly harp on about how awful this country is.

Good post Chewbacca.

little englanders, how dare you biba! I'm Scottish and proud of it!
It only demonstrates how narrow your outlook is, by assuming we are all English!

Oh and like many Scots I voted remain!

Haircuts and handbags really it comes down to this, or wages, animal care and human safety. I don’t know.

There is a word for someone who knowingly inflicts damage on his it her own country. Inability to admit they have been fooled is no excuse.

The people who have let this country down are those who voted for this national disgrace and in spite of all the evidence, still support it. Try listening to the patriotic Britons who told you why out country should have remained in the EU.

Those cynical disaster caspitalists who manipulated the readers of the rightwing tabloids to support this mess, have had their way and we have now left the EU. It will take a generation or more to even start to undo the damage.

little englanders
Kitty
Marydoll
Merlotgran
Callistemon
Ellianne
You obviously don't know these posters very well.

I wonder if Kalu learnt the local language to fluency, did an Hons Degree to be able to serve it with love and dedication, and gave it her all, for all her adult life. Being an 'expat' is not quite the same,

What's that got to do with it? I agree with Kalu and kittylester; it is quite annoying to keep being told how terrible our country is, especially from someone who is living putside the UK and has done so for quire a long time. The UK is clearly still attractive enough for those who are seeking safety, peace and freedom, to risk their very lives and leave everything they've ever known, to come and make a new life here. They see us as a land of opportunities and a place that they can raise their families in peace. For those who don't see a future in the UK, you're probably better off living elsewhere.

Growstuff. I do like pasta now and again, similarly bread and potatoes. Mainly fish and veg. for me too though.

Well said Alegrias.

I haven't read every single post that biba70 has ever made, but I haven't seen anything on this thread that makes me think she isn't "loyal" to this country, as though that would matter. The fact that she lives in another country seems to make you all think she is fair game.

Anyone who questions a person's "loyalty" needs to take a good hard look at themselves and wonder if they are influenced by the gutter press's ideas of who the traitors are.

Honestly, we had a post about little Englanders recently. Well here is all the explanation you need. You are piling on and it is shameful.

Criticising this ghastly mess is not “putting the country down”, it’s causing a loss of jobs, costing a fortune and going to leave everyone worse off. To save face and his job, Johnson has sold the U.K. down the river. The OP who would rather pay can tell that to the hauliers, freight forwarders , anyone with a business that depends on goods being imported. Perhaps she’d like to pay for them .

kittylester

Forgive me biba but you don't seem very loyal to the uk.

Using the analogy again, i would be on the side of my errant child not telling all and sundry how dreadful it was.

well yes, an analogy. But this is very different- loyal to my beloved UK I am, which is why I get so passionate and upset about it. And it is about the effects on ourselves, of course- and our children and grandchildren , family and friends. And about the fabulous state services we both served with love and passion.

I wonder if Kalu learnt the local language to fluency, did an Hons Degree to be able to serve it with love and dedication, and gave it her all, for all her adult life. Being an 'expat' is not quite the same.

But what on earth am I doing here, wasting time, and more importantly getting very upset - real tears, not like Hancock's, from the heart- because I hate to see England derided all around me, mocked and pitied- and so tired of defending it.

Enough.

kittylester

Forgive me biba but you don't seem very loyal to the uk.

Using the analogy again, i would be on the side of my errant child not telling all and sundry how dreadful it was.

You don't need to be jingoistic to like the values of a country's people. Criticising some aspects of a country isn't treachery either.

Kalu

I have had a pasta maker buried in the back of a cupboard for years. I will attempt to make my own but it won’t be anything like my favourite De Cecco Italian brand. ?

I don't eat pasta or bread. However, I do eat loads of fish, fruit and veg. I grow much of my own veg in the summer. I know that 90% of our salad crops in the winter months are imported. I'll certainly be keeping an eye on my food bills.

kittylester: "Will the importation of olives etc be banned?"

I sincerely hope not, but I expect we'll have to pay a tariff, which will push up the price.

In any case, I was responding to the poster who says we can all eat British. I was wondering whether I could actually "eat British" (ie what is produced solely in the UK) and I'd find it difficult - certainly less appetising and probably less healthy.

PS. We can't all eat British anyway. We haven't done for at least 200 years and I can't see that the situation is going to change any time soon.

Forgive me biba but you don't seem very loyal to the uk.

Using the analogy again, i would be on the side of my errant child not telling all and sundry how dreadful it was.

I have had a pasta maker buried in the back of a cupboard for years. I will attempt to make my own but it won’t be anything like my favourite De Cecco Italian brand. ?