Rather pay than give in

Well, I'm British. I was born in the UK and have lived here for most of my life and have no intention of moving elsewhere. I can see the shortcomings of the country in its current state. As a true Brit, is it OK if I express my reservations? Do I have permission from the GN monitors?

PS. What a load of petty nonsense! (that's the polite form)

Kalu- I forgot, have you taken the nationality of that country, 50 odd years ago, and retain it- or were you just an 'expat'. It makes a big difference to how you feel, I can assure you.

Kalu

And vice versa Petra, many of us who have lived in another country wouldn’t return home and tell the population of said country about the failings and wrongs we found/find in their country.

Au contraire Biba, how dare you to your question of how dare I.

kalu you lived abroad and returned. Is your pension paid from that country. Are your children and grand-children, family and friends, still there. Do you still own property there with the intent to return at some point. Or have you just left...?

I have never ever 'slagged off' the UK - but have strongly criticised what this charade of a Government and the ERG is doing to it- how it is hell bent on destroying the very best of it, for their own ends and fill their pockets. The UK and all who live in it, are the victims here, and yes, I despair for them and the consequences of what is about to happen.

Kitty ?

''we are leaving and bemoaning that fact can do no good.''

leaving is one thing, how we leave is another- We were promised a great Deal, an easy Deal- and it is clear that that was never going to be the case. We all knew that 'cake and eat it' would never ever be on offer. We were lied to, and misled, and sold down the river by ERG - and you are angry, with ME for pointing it out.

Well said Kitty.

If your read my post of 16.12.47
it explains well how I feel and why- because 'I love that child' and despair to see what is happening to him, or rather, self-destructing. THAT makes me very sad, indeed- and yes, it makes me very angry too. Especially as my children and grandchildren, family and loved ones- will suffer the direct consequences, and we the indirect, but very harshly.

And vice versa Petra, many of us who have lived in another country wouldn’t return home and tell the population of said country about the failings and wrongs we found/find in their country.

Au contraire Biba, how dare you to your question of how dare I.

Well said, kitty.

The somewhat strange posts about likening the UK to a favourite child going off the rails etc add nothing to sensible debate.
Debate on here, on the Jeremy Vine programme, on any internet site will change nothing.

And, GillT57 I did vote remain too.

Well said Kitty lots of posters feel exactly the same.
We have several posters who are British but live in another country but I can't recall one that slags off this country from afar.

Well said, kitty

Will the importation of olives etc be banned?

I actually voted remain but we are leaving and bemoaning that fact can do no good.

I do get so fed up of all the people who put Britain down at every opportunity.

Biba you have chosen to live in Switzerland and miss no opportunity to tell us how awful Britain is - that makes me so cross, as it does if anyone else does it - but it seems worse from someone who has left the country.

To use your analogy - my child might be going off the rails but I still love that child.

Based on the farm-gate value of unprocessed food in 20192, the UK supplied just over half (55%) of the food consumed in the UK. The leading foreign supplier of food consumed in the UK were countries from the EU (26%). Africa, Asia, North and South America each provided a 4% share of the food consumed in the UK.30 Nov 2020
www.gov.uk › publications › food-s...
Food Statistics in your pocket: Global and UK supply - GOV.UK

I will buy less to accommodate a 5% rise in food, and I doubt food shortages will hugely affect me, I'll buy whatever's in the shops. But I'm desperately worried about shortages of medication for several younger family members.

Plenty of families currently just managing will be needing foodbanks, so we will all need to up our contributions

GillT57 Have you ever found any British grown olives? I eat loads of them and am wondering if I should start stockpiling.

Biba, why should it matter, if they are members of GN or not? I hope people don't start speculating.

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Thank you Gill for your open support- which I often get by pm. I truly don't see why you felt you had to apologise. Kalu's post was totally out of order.

And NO Kalu, I didn't move out of the UK in a negative way at all- but to look after my very elderly parents. And we truly felt we had 2 very different places we could call home- very close to each other- as all family is left in the UK- and where we may well return one day.

I posted the other day about the experience of watching a very best friend, beloved child or sibbling falling in with the wrong crowd, falling for the bad, wrong guy - and heading for misery, rack and ruin. And there is little you can do- because if you say anything, that person will actually turn against you- and all you can do is watch, with massive sadness- the whole tragic event unfurl- knowing that favourite person will be forever damaged by this, and will lose so much in the process.

Thank you for your apology GillT57. It is appreciated.

So if I did all the above, how dare you make the above comment.

biba70

Kalu

I fail to understand why a Swiss National, who lives in Switzerland, doesn’t have enough to concern herself with, her own countries politics!

Here we go again. You mean a British national, married to another British national, with British children, grandchildren and family - paid in tanking Sterling after working all their life in the UK in public services, eg the NHS and State Edu.

FGS biba. Yes, you did all of the above. However, I am not the first poster to feel angry at your consistent running down of the UK which you decided to leave but, since, take every opportunity to point out the failings and wrongs of the UK.

I apologise Kalu if I misinterpreted your post, but so many on here seem to think that because she is living in Switzerland, biba70 is not entitled to an opinion. There have been many nasty comments and I get a little defensive on her behalf!

I get sick and tired of the 'we will all be ok if we buy British' or even worse 'we managed in the war'. I do buy British, local when I can, but try as I might, I can't get locally grown oranges for example. Many people have quoted the figures regarding self sufficiency, and it seems many just don't or won't take notice. I was not a housewife during the war, and I don't think many on here were either, although they have this strange romantic view of what were terrible and hard times. We were not self sufficient in the war, despite rationing, despite very different expectations and to keep repeating the same old nonsense does not make it true. Please don't witter on about nobody needing strawberries at Christmas because I agree, but I would like to eat more than turnip and root veg for six months of the year, besides which, what I eat, where it comes from, what I pay for it, is my business, my choice, and I deeply resent a minority of the British electorate having taken that choice away from me.