Is this allowable do you think ?

It’s in the SAGE reports Pecs. The new variant is very much an unknown so we can’t assume that relative safety that applied to the original Covid will apply now.

No you should stay local. “ Local means stay in the village, town, or part of the city where you live” according to Government Regulations. Driving 4 miles to a NT property is plainly not on.

Gin.. my Freudian error!

We have solved the problem by investing in an exercise bike! It only came this week & needed assembly which was exercise enough!
DH and I have done our 20 mins exercise today..in the shed [gin]

People need to get outside for their physical and mental health. That doesn't mean driving miles to get there and going out of your local area. Many areas have a local park or other green space that people can use.
I know it is much nicer to walk in the Peak District or other lovely countryside but for now we need to do as much as we can to stop the spread of this virus.

We live 3miles from the sea which has vast open empty beaches and is far safer than our crowded town with very narrow pavements and no public green space. Common sense needs to be used - in England it is still only guidance. I believe Scotland stipulates a certain number of miles from home. Not sure if this is correct but our local police force are allegedly using automatic number plate recognition to identify out of area visitors of which we seem to have many as we are tourist town. When I was out walking this morning from the house I did see a police surveillance van sitting on bridge at entrance to our small town???

Isn’t the advice the same as last time? If you drive you might break down and have to call for help or have an accident which would involve more people coming to help you.
We aren’t walking anywhere except the local field with the dog for half an hour and I carry a mask in case I need to help anyone in difficulties. I say ‘we’ but usually it’s just me , DH is warm indoors.

Intersting information Peaseblossom Have you a link or source for that? I would be keen to read it.

I understand it as a walk, not a drive and then a walk, then only locally, no sitting.
I met 1 other person yesterday, going in the opposite direction - and none today.

But if everyone did that Pecs it wouldn’t be almost deserted. Suppose all of London took that short trip down the A3.

Everyone else stay at home to keep it deserted for you?

During the first lockdown I didn't leave the house for six weeks and was becoming weak. Now we go out for a walk every day and find that people are very considerate about keeping their distance. The only problem is avoiding schoolchildren so we check the clock before we go out.

Actually, that may not be true of this new variant in this climate. The droplets can hang about in a damp atmosphere and don’t fall to the ground. And are much more contagious.

It is absolutely permissable to leave the house for exercise.
What has happened with the apparent tightening of the rules i.e. stay local is causing chaos!
I can walk to a lovely local park which has a great walk around a lake but the world and her wife are there now and it is incredibly busy. I can also easily walk to access the tow path along our local canal but that too is much busier because of the 'stay local' advice. I can drive to a NT arboretum , which I did last Wednesday, and it was almost deserted. I could also get to RHSWisley in 15-20 minutes and have far a more secluded walk.

Another case of this cabinet's poorly thought through 'guidance'. Far too open to every fool's 'common sense' instead of providing clearly defined instructions.

No it doesn’t. It probably isn’t. The point is that if one person can decide to to drive to a walk 4 miles away another person can decide to walk up Arrochar. They’re both making a decision that they’ve weighed up and think is ok.

Unless you think it won’t matter what you do. You’re only one person stretching it a bit. You and 65 million others.

ellanvannin Nobody should even be leaving the house except for chemists or hospital appointments
Sorry but that’s total nonsense.
You’re allowed to go out shopping for food and you’re allowed to go out to exercise, provided you stay in your own village, town or urban area.

I do think the guidelines should be more specific about what constitutes a local area.
Specifying walking or cycling from home would be more helpful.
The risks of contracting the virus outdoors are extremely low and are outweighed by the benefit of outdoor exercise.

Clevedon is lovely isn’t it? We are not too far away but more like twenty miles so we had probably better wait a bit before going back !

Knowing how large the grounds are and as you are so close I would say go. There is plenty of room for you to avoid others which isn’t always the case when walking from home, especially for those who live in built up areas.

The majority of people who visit National Trust properties go by car as they are usually in rural settings.

The grounds are open which means we are allowed to visit.

It sounds like a lovely day out inthe fresh air and getting exercise!

I agree we should be careful, extremely careful in fact. But fresh air and exercise are really important to our physical and mental well-being, and a socially distanced walk around a NT property, doesn’t seem any worse than walking around my village passing people on the pavement.

Ellanvannin you must be one of the lucky people who have no problem getting online groceries delivered. Round here we can’t get a delivery slot for love nor money. My husband and I are both key workers too so have to venture out. I’d love to be retired and be able to stay in all day every day.

Last weekend two young men decided to "go for a walk" in Arrochar ,well up a mountain in Arrochar.One hurt his leg .It took 25 mountain rescue people over a hundred man hours to get them down safely .
Now THATS stupidity ,ambulances on standby when they could be used many times while they wait for the injured .
I know its different from walking in a park but as the aim is to avoid overloading the NHS then driving for a walk isn't sensible .During the first lockdown we were inundated by peole who had never walked to their local shops before ,they parked cars across emergency vehicles paths outside the childrens hospice and blocked narrow roads.A wee bit of common sense should be used

There is an interesting article in the New Statesman today about airborne transmission, and that many people may think they are following the government guidelines, but do not understand the science of airborne transmission.

Definitely more risky indoors, and it’s a pity the government is not explaining risk of small droplet (aerosol) transmission more.

Absolutely not.

Like it or not we have to stay put indoors away from people. This is the whole idea of reducing infection.
How many hundreds will now be saying " lets go for a walk ?" Everyone will have the same idea and before you know it many people will be passing you, joggers for instance. There are many carriers who are totally unaware if they're not ill themselves and this has been the danger all along and still is.

If you're leaving the house, it has to be for a good reason. If this virus was airborne you'd have no choice but to remain indoors. Nobody knows where the virus is lurking, but it'll find you no problem and strikes suddenly. How you fight it is up to you and how your system copes.

Sorry cross post Viridian I agree.

Staying in your “local area” is stated , but no distance stipulated for local area, so it is open to interpretation.

It sounds a bit far to me in the circumstances but as 'local' hasn't been defined exactly I'm not being a judge. I walked 3 minutes from my flat to my local harbourfront yesterday and had to sit on a bench for a few minutes because I'm on crutches. Someone came over and told me I was breaking the law. It's tricky because exercise and fresh air is so important to our wellbeing. I think the Gov need to be more exact about what they mean by local and exercise.