a friendly chat- let's make a list of PROVEN Brexit bonuses

I have a friend living in Israel, not Jewish, not Palestinian, but by virtue of having a resident permit, he is eligible for vaccine. Don´t want to get into an argument about this.

I’d have thought having the words “friendly chat” in the same sentence as “Brexit” on GN would be a gigantic oxymoron! Yup it was.

Am replying to this post.

Not exactly Brexit-related, but we cannot hold Israel up as an example when they have omitted some sections of their population (the Palestinians). We still have to consider our marginalised groups, but I have in the past taken vaccines and screening programmes to hard-to-reach groups and I'm sure that is in hand (if anyone has up-to-date info about the vaccination of Palestinians in Israel I'd be glad to hear it).

polyester, could you please link to which post you are replying here. Why indeed bring this up now- it has nothing to do with the OP- at all. This should be removed.

Palestinians who are long-term residents or citizens of Israel have been given the vaccine along with Jewish and anyone else. Why do you want to bring this up in particular?

Well I’ve been racking my brain here - sorry, can’t think of a thing...

According to Kate Bingham who was appointed first Vaccine Taskforce Chair, the decision to stay out of the EU’s vaccine procurement programme was key. The conditions for joining, she has explained, had been too arduous, requiring the UK to abandon existing negotiations and forgo any independent deals with promising suppliers in future.
I understand she has not referred to the other ball and chain around the leg of EU vaccine procurement: the catastrophic dilution of public health goals by nationalist industrial policy, which limited the EU’s early engagement with the US-German partnership, Pfizer-BioNTech, and drove it to waste time on the UK-French alternative developed by Sanofi and GSK.

lemongrove

Yes, agree with others, this is just another let’s have a moan thread on Brexit, so after this, as in all other Brexit threads, I’m out. The reason? We have had four years of it and enough is enough of outrage on referendum results/negativity on all things Brexit.It just leads to spats and unpleasantness all round and can’t be good for anyone taking part.Misery feeds misery.
It’s such early days that it’s nonsensical in any case.

Now I am surprised lemon- I posted in chat, as my OP was simple. I kept well out of it to ensure I do not put my bias on it, or moan for that matter.

All it needs, is for those of you who are/were pro Brexit and were happy to see 2021 arrive - to just post the positives. If you post the positives, and they make sense, cannot lose their positive truth with solid, counter arguments- then the thread will be positive.

So- just post about the positives- simple enough.

The early vaccine argument is very debatable- and several have explained why. But yes, let's take it as a partial + for Brexit. Farage 'going' is a good one too. Any more?

Don't moan- just tell us the good bits- let's us rejoice on those. Your choice, not mine.

Yes, except that if you’d been paying for years for gas that didn’t get delivered, you might think it a benefit not to have to do that any more ?

You might even have decided that it was better to switch to electricity.

Kim19

Peasblossom ? I love your persistence against all the odds and biases here. Keep it up. With you all the way. Your stated is an immediate benefit but I think it will be a few years before others manifest themselves. Not that I think many on GN would ever agree even if that became the case. No prejudice here!!

It is not an immediate benefit when you look at the golden handshakes they are getting. It is a fact that we don't have to pay MEPs (because the no longer exist) but that does not make if a benefit per se.

I would not have to pay my gas bill if all the gas companies switched off but I doubt it would benefit me.

Mapleleaf

Nigel Farage has gone quiet, which is a positive in my book - let’s hope that’s permanent!
Truly, though, I can’t think of any positives yet, but I suppose it’s too early to say. As eazybee suggests, give it a year, then we can perhaps offer more informed opinions.

Now Nigel Farage going quiet is both true and a bonus.

Peasblossom does have a point. It is a positive.

Taking Farage's job is also a positive.

There must be some more somewhere?

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But Nandalot you can’t compare it. They’re two completely different things. One doesn’t impact on the other. It’s just diversionary tactics. A way of avoiding the matter raised.

What’s the point of posting a title like the one above if you’re just going to ignore any response you don’t want, divert or belittle.

Why pretend you want a discussion?

Still thinking........ nope haven't come up with one yet

Peasblossom ? I love your persistence against all the odds and biases here. Keep it up. With you all the way. Your stated is an immediate benefit but I think it will be a few years before others manifest themselves. Not that I think many on GN would ever agree even if that became the case. No prejudice here!!

This has already been said by Paddyanne but yes, we were known as the sick man of europe before we joined the EU. We were going to hell in a handcart back then.
Lets hope we dont have to go through all that again.
Suppose that could be something good.

Not paying MEPs isn't a great benefit if we are spending more to achieve it. Not paying Farage is a benefit though.

Sorry, Casdon, I see you’ve posted similar regarding Mr Farage. Your post wasn’t here when I was typing.

Yes, Peaseblossom, we used to have 73 MEPs. But compare this with the Tory stuffing of the House of Lords. Cameron alone created 253 new peers and Johnson , I think, at least 61.

Not having to pay for 73 MEPs,as others have said, is a drop in the ocean compared to the extra costs that the government will have to pay for services the EU provided and those the exporters and the consumer will have to pay in the future. Brexit costs already paid, as already stated by others, would have funded membership for 40 years.

If no MEPs is only positive so far, it is a very poor move.

Nigel Farage has gone quiet, which is a positive in my book - let’s hope that’s permanent!
Truly, though, I can’t think of any positives yet, but I suppose it’s too early to say. As eazybee suggests, give it a year, then we can perhaps offer more informed opinions.

But the whole point is that you weigh benefits ( not having MEPs) against disadvantages to get a whole picture.

If you’re just going to ignore benefits, like you did to me, you’ll have a very biased view.
It was kind of “oh no, she’s named a benefit. Just ignore it and talk about something else” ?

That was when I realised I’d been duped.

Rather disingenuous.
We have been out of the EU for seventeen days, so of course no benefits can be proved, yet.

Post this in a year's time, then you will have material for a discussion.