Shamima Begum

What a terrible thing to have gone through LauraNorder and how courageous of you to share it with us.

They may say the same as us simtib which doesn't make the decision made about her wrong.

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If some mass murderer came over to Britain we would try to get rid of them by sending them back to the country they came from. What would we say if that country suddenly revoked their citizenship and said they did not want them your problem now.

Grooming is not the same as choosing to do something

A clip of her interview was shown again this morning. No remorse, no understanding of the anger felt towards her and why. She said “I met my husband. I had a great time”. Just reinforced my view that she shouldn’t return.

She is certainly a victim - of Islamic extremism, it was her decision to take that path, nobody kidnapped her and dragged her away, regardless of her age and all the advice offered. I have no sympathy.

I'd be disgusted if shamina Begum came back to the UK. She's a dreadful person and an appalling mother, her babies starved, she didn't have a maternal bone in her body, as far as I'm concerned she should've got a death sentence.

The difference is that boy didn’t actually do anything or go anywhere. I’m very tired atm and can’t be bothered to go into it but I’m pretty sure I read he was on the spectrum or something. Isolated, bullied, bad childhood, hence living with his gran.

Begum actually went and lived amongst twisted, sadistic evil. Lots of teenagers dream of excitement, go astray, then find out the reality is nothing like the fantasy. She appears to have revelled in all she witnessed and probably took part in. I just hope she is kept out of this country.

Seems some are making her a victim now.

I agree with Urmstongran.

Why should we let her back in and then pay for the security forces to watch her?? It's not like they haven't got more than enough to watch - every one we keep out is one less.

It compares very badly varian. It’s good to read the Judge’s comments in sentencing the teenage boy.
Sharon’s Begum was groomed. School, children’s services, the police were all well aware of her on line activities. Safeguarding protocols were ignored, as a result the opportunity to intervene and attempt to work with her and her family was lost.
To top off this monumental failure, this country seeks to take away her citizenship.

Britain’s youngest convicted terrorist, now aged 16, has been sentenced at the Old Bailey today. The boy, who led a neo-Nazi cell from his grandmother’s house, was given a 24-month youth rehabilitation order at the court in London. He was aged just 13 when he got his hands on instructions for explosives. Judge Mark Dennis QC told the boy, who has not been named for legal reasons, that he had ‘entered an online world of wicked prejudice’.

‘The wider picture revealed in this case – the actions, words and mindset of teenagers – is deeply concerning,’ the judge added. He said any reoffending or lapse in behaviour would lead to a ‘spiral of ever-lengthening terms of incarceration’ to protect the public. At the age of 14, the boy from south-east Cornwall collected a stash of terror-related material and shared far-right extremist ideology in online chatrooms, including racist, homophobic and anti-Semitic views. He pleaded guilty to 12 offences, which included two of dissemination of terrorist documents and 10 of possession of terrorist material.

The material shared by the boy included bomb-making instructions, ingredients for napalm, and how to make Molotov cocktails, build an AK47 assault rifle, and engage in knife combat. He also allegedly commissioned a ‘Nuke London’ poster, which bore an image of an atom bomb cloud explosion over the Houses of Parliament with the slogan ‘Sterilise the cesspit that you call London’. In summer 2019 he became the British cell leader of the FKD – Feuerkrieg Division – which is a neo-Nazi group that idolises the likes of mass murderer Anders Breivik. The network encouraged individuals to carry out ‘lone wolf’ attacks. It was claimed in court the boy was responsible for propaganda and recruiting members.

metro.co.uk/2021/02/08/uks-youngest-convicted-terrorist-16-given-two-year-yro-sentence-14041251/?ito=cbshare

This teenager, who clearly poses a threat to this country, was given a 24-month youth rehabilitation order. How does that compare with the treatment of Shamima Begum?.

She is not a child at 15. She knew what she was doing. I agree with the courts decision and do not want her or others like her back, living on benefits at our expense. I have no sympathy for her at all.

The issue as to what extent she was groomed and how much of an active role she had in any way, shape or form in the atrocities that were carried out, will be aired in her defence at her trial.

This ruling isn't finding her guilty and reinforcing the decision to strip her of her citizenship, it is only preventing her from returning to the UK for the hearing which will ultimately uphold or not, the previously made decision to deprive her of her British citizenship.

If as a 15 year old child you know what you are doing. Then there can be no such thing as grooming.

Sarnia

I am delighted with the judges decision. Had she won, it would have opened the floodgates for others in her position to do the same. Tragedies like the Manchester Arena bombing show only too clearly that we have terrorists amongst us. We don't need to swell those numbers by bringing back to Britain those whose allegiance is towards brutal regimes such as ISIS.

Excellent post.

She was 15 when she left, at that age you know right from wrong.
When she made those statements about the beheaded,that it did not phase her, she was no longer a child.
I agree with the disition and do not feel she should be allowed back to Britain.

Children who are groomed are responsible for their actions. Can people not see where that leads.

It was the right decision. She made her bed and now should lie in it. I’ve no sympathy for her, she was old enough to know right from wrong and we can’t guarantee she wouldn’t be a threat. Hopefully it’s a deterrent to anyone else thinking of doing the same. I don’t think she should be brought back to face the justice system here as we are far too soft. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have a child do that and if her parents are against what she did then I empathise with them, but that’s their daughter’s doing and no one else’s.

As far as I’m aware, she is automatically allowed Bangladeshi citizenship because her Mother, who died in 2014, was born there.
Her father lives in Bangladesh with his second wife and seems concerned about her, why can’t she go to her Father?
As far as, would she be a danger if she returned to the uk, I wouldn’t like to take that risk, especially after supposedly reformed terrorist, Usman Khan killed two young people, Jack Merritt 25 and Saskia Jones 23 who were active in rehabilitating him.
More would have been killed if brave people hadn’t tackled Usman on London Bridge.
Some people are trying to portray Begum as an innocent girl, living a blameless life in Syria, when in actual fact, intelligence has found she was instrumental in sewing terrorists into their suicide vests and other women have told that she was one of ISIS’s military police and carried a AK-47 to keep others in line.
So far from an innocent....

I am delighted with the judges decision. Had she won, it would have opened the floodgates for others in her position to do the same. Tragedies like the Manchester Arena bombing show only too clearly that we have terrorists amongst us. We don't need to swell those numbers by bringing back to Britain those whose allegiance is towards brutal regimes such as ISIS.

She may have been a child when she left but her comments during her interview were made as an adult. I believe she would be a threat if she returned to UK.

ISIS has told its followers to return to their home countries and continue the fight - she would have to be watched constantly. Where and how would she live - who would give her a job.

Would those calling for her to be allowed to return be happy for her to live next door and befriend your children and grandchildren, happy for her to wander around your local mall and visit local concert halls and cinemas?

If we want to deport foreign criminals, I think we have to take our own criminals back. She is British and should be dealt with in Britain. I don't see it matters how old she is, or why she did what she did, she should be our responsibility, we should not be leaving it to another country to sort her out for us.

I was working age 15 and classed as adult!