harry and megan

So who is it that is considering it paedophilia? Not psychiatrists who believe it is about prepubescent children, not the law because the law is about acts and a paedophile might go their whole life never committing a crime.

So when people on here say he is a paedophile they are just randomly deciding that based on what they fancy.

If we are talking about allegations of law breaking is seems sensible to actually make reference to the law and legally he has been accused of having sex with a trafficked 17 year old, he has not been accused of paedophilia.

I'll leave it there as you obviously aren't prepared to accept the facts.

theworriedwell try reading the paper on paedophilia. The meaning is much wider than that and includes other forms of activities.
I think what people have said is that the sexual activity he chose to take part in may indicate he is interested in underage girsl and cetainly he had links with paedophiles who were abusing and trafficking them. As it is commonly known that paedophiles do associate with others with the same inclinations, and as he has refused to go to the States and give evidence against these people he is inevitably linked to them. Legally by the way he hasn't been accused of anything simply asked to give evidence and he has avoided doing so.

Has he been asked to give evidence ? I didn’t know a date has been given, who are those being charged ?

Keep going trisher. I agree with your views but losing the will to argue. The issue is men who exploit young women/girls/young men/boys.

I had a difficult relationship with my mother and felt so very angry growing up and then I become a mother myself and although I did my best I too wasn't perfect either!
None of us are and hopefully we will understand that our parents mostly do what they think is in our best interests rightly or wrongly.
Harry has already caused his family so much pain so he has failed in breaking that cycle - so very much better to be kinder to both the younger generations and the older ones in your family too because they are your family even if like your wife Megan you would happily disown them all bar one.

sorry just realised I got into the wrong debate?

Well sunnybean60 the title of this thread is Harry and Meghan, so no, you didn’t get into the wrong debate. For posters who wish to discuss Prince Andrew, maybe a new thread would be in order.

Hi for someone who wants to break the cycle pain he has gone about it the wrong way? He like Megan have caused the most pain in both their families (just as well they are not getting married this year cos no one apart from Megan's mum in the family would be there).

Your family is the older generations as well as the new ones just arriving isn't it?

Dear Harry STOP now we love your granny and she gave up so much so stop winging and Megan please fake the I didn't realise the press would be interested in us nonsense, its beyond fake.

I have always loved Harry and William but I am thinking the Royals that got out of their family would of done the country far more harm than good (Queens uncle - horror!) so with that in mind I am pleased Harry is living over the pond and probably will stay there too thankfully.
I love my country and Queen and the other other young working Royals too.
We will all get past this because currently my family is going through the same thing at the moment!

Boz

How sharper than the Serpent's tooth is it to have a thankless child.

Very apt, Boz.

And there but for the grace of God go most of us at some time or another.

Children rarely seem to appreciate what we have done for them and only acknowledge how we f... , sorry, messed them up.

Surely there must be a time on the road to true maturity when we all forgive our parents their mistakes and accept that they are only human.

and I would happily take advice on building bridges with my family cos it hurts so much to be on the receiving end Megan!

Yes, yes and yes. My dear Mum had the most horrendous time growing up (really really bad) so much so I got to understand her failings as my mum and totally love her to bits.

but even with a better childhood I too failed as the mum I wanted to be.

but if you are lucky enough to have the best parents in the world it doesn't mean your children will think you were great in that department so Harry be prepared your children may view you as not meeting their needs either!

Some very judgemental people here, following the media's dialog.

sillydevil

Some very judgemental people here, following the media's dialog.

Following what media's dialogue?

This isn't stuff made up with words from sources close to the Royals or any of that nonsense.

This is from interviews Harry has given. His words. Spoken by him.

'I like to think that we were able to speak truths in the most compassionate way possible, therefore leaving an opening for reconciliation and healing.'

The above is in reference to the original Oprah interview.

I just don't understand how he would have thought that.

sunnybean60 I am already wondering how H &M will cope when Archie throws his first teenage tantrum and shouts at his father 'I hate you Daddy' or even 'You are ruining my life'.

Grannyrose15 It is usually when we are dealing with teenagers ourselves. I have found that as a parent I am far more forgiving of my parents than is my sister, who is childless.

M0nica, do you not know what you are saying in your last post? You are more forgiving of your parents that your sister who is childless, Your childless sister doesn't have the same understanding as you of what motivates your parents.

How dismissive. How superior.

Andrea Leadsom lost the leadership race for the Tory Party because she cast doubt on Teresa May's stake in the future because she was childless.

Just think about what you are saying, eh?

Harry needs someone to check his script. Archie's first word was crocodile or so he told James Corden. Now we hear his first word(s) was Grandma Diana. Who do we believe? Harry or ............Harry?

Right now, I am sick of the Spencers.
Earl Spencer, happily accepting dubious evidence of private bank statements from an unknown reporter maligning his own staff; Diana, desperate to publicise 'her side of the story' without thought for her children and resolutely ignoring advice about her own protection and safety; Harry, loudly blaming the press and his own family for his mother's death whilst using the same exploitative media for excruciating discussions about his personal problems.

Oh, Harry's a Spencer is he? What about William? Are you sick of him too or is it only the Spencers who do bad things that you are sick of?

Our GC will never know who we are or anything about us because their father, our youngest son estranged us. They'll never know about their GGM's, one set of GP's, uncles, aunts and cousins.

One day Archie and his sister's GF will be king and their uncle will take on the role in the future. They will know about the extended family that they never knew and they will have been taught that anyone is dispensable regardless of who they are, including your parents.

They will be taught that it's OK to point the finger of blame for anything and everything that has 'gone wrong' in their lives, for every bad decision they've ever made rather than accept any personal responsibility.

Rather than being taught how to build or mend bridges, they'll be taught how to destroy them and that no one else's pain or suffering is as important as their own.

H & M may well reap what they have sewn. I hope they don't. The pain of being knifed in the back by your own child is beyond understanding and description when it happens in private. To have it played out on the world stage, like a tawdry soap opera is IMO unforgivable and H & M may well find to their cost, that any form of reconciliation is the last thing on H's family's minds, and that this particular lesson in life is one they'll wish they never taught to their children.

The caring Charles Spencer, speaking of his first wife who suffered an eating disorder-

‘my father told me to stick with Victoria through thick and thin, those who know Victoria know she is thick and she certainly is thin’ .

I remember that Annie
He has form for misogyny

I think Alegrias that what MOnica meant was that you maybe don’t realise how difficult a job it is to be a parent until you are one yourself, and discover the challenges that being a mum or dad can bring.

I know exactly what she meant Calendargirl

Those of us without children will never understand how hard it is.

I wonder if her sister likes being told that she will really never understand how hard her parents' life is?

I'm sorry to talk about you in the 3rd person M0nica but what you write is so insulting, really.

theworriedwell

Harry needs someone to check his script. Archie's first word was crocodile or so he told James Corden. Now we hear his first word(s) was Grandma Diana. Who do we believe? Harry or ............Harry?

A baby’s first ‘word’ is usually ma, quickly encouraged to develop into mama by the delighted parent. The parent usually goes on to encourage dada.
I’m trying to picture a scenario where a parent would be encouraging the first word mama to develop into ‘dead grandma’ or ‘voracious reptile’.
Or, maybe Crocodile and Grandma Diana are synonymous if Harry’s world.