Boris and Carrie have got married!

I don't feel sorry for her. I guess she's a shrewd character - no shrinking violet - and she'll know what she's getting into. She'll have her reasons.

As has been said in earlier posts, genuine people removing themselves from a disastrous, violent marriage have been refused permission to remarry in the Catholic Church. She is a Catholic but knowingly split up a marriage and don’t forget, Boris’ wife was suffering with cancer at the time. The pair of them deserve each other.

Good luck to them both

bobbydog24

Typical. One rule for them. Money talks.

Money has nothing to do with it.
Reading this thread there have been many explanations how this marriage took place. I was at a wedding last week. Weddings are allowed.

I wonder what Jesus would do

Typical. One rule for them. Money talks.

Apparently, as his two previous marriages did not take place in church (presumably not a Catholic church, but I'm not sure about that bit) the Catholic Church is able to marry a person. Do correct me if I've got that wrong. I think I may have heard it on the radio (either Radio 4 or Radio Norfolk, but both BBC anyway).

At least Boris knows 30 people who he can trust. I suspect the Press are spitting feathers over this.

There seems to be a great deal of confusion about Catholic marriages on this thread.

Neither adultery nor fornication are bars to marriage in the Catholic church. Those presenting themselves to be married are expected to go to confession prior to the wedding ceremony and confess their sins, which most definitely do include adultery and fornication, repent, be absolved and do penance. The priest who is to officiate at the wedding is within his rights to ask whether they have confessed etc. and to refuse to marry them if they have not. They do not need to have used him as their confessor, though.

You are all correct regarding divorce as a bar to marriage.

According to Canon Law no-one may marry who has a living spouse and a divorced husband or wife counts as a spouse.

The divorced party to a new marriage can ask a bishop's court to look into the grounds for the former marriage and judge whether it was or was not valid in Canon Law.

This process takes time depending on how many cases the court has to deal with. These days most priests preparing such a case state the grounds for invalidity being the presumption that the parties married without a proper awareness of the fact that a Catholic marriage is a sacrament and with no intention of abiding by the condition of the service that states that marriage lasts "until death do us part"

If for this, or any other of the reasons that invalidate a marriage in Canon Law, the person's former marriage or marriages are deemed invalid, he or she can then marry in the Catholic church.

If, which is usually the case, such a marriage was valid by the secular law of the country any children of it are legitimate and their status is not changed because Canon law deems their parent's marriage invalid.

A marriage can only be annulled if it was never consummated, which necessitates one at least of the parties to it proving, with the help of medical evidence that he or she was not physically capable of consummating the marriage, or had no opportunity to do so.

Annulments are relatively rare these days, where very few women of any age can proof themselves intact virgins, which is after all the easiest way of proving non-consummation.

If neither party to the intended marriage has been married before, then if one of them is a Catholic they can and should marry in a Catholic ceremony, as Catholics may not marry outwith the Catholic church.

If you do so, you are deemed to have excommunicated yourself.

I wish her well but she is going to need it, as by marrying him and becoming a wife she has created a vacancy for a mistress or what ever.

The repetitions on this thread are proof that most on GN don’t bother reading previous comments.

Apparently so.

There must have been some shenanigans going on to keep the wedding secret. Surely banns are displayed for 3 weeks before and I would have thought that junior staff reporters would regularly do the rounds of Westminster Cathedral etc to see who's getting married. I have never been inside the Cathedral but maybe there's a hidden spot where they the banns can be displayed without the public coming across them. A confessional perhaps?

I think the fact that the previous marriages have been annulled is a bit of an insult to his other children. I think these children have a pretty low opinion of their Dad anyway, but it just adds insult to injury.

Jane

I think it's too hot today to keep any dog in the porch

Ramblingrose22

Like an earlier post said, I wish Carrie luck.

She'll need it with such a philandering husband. If Jennifer Arcuri happened to walk by he'd probably go weak at the knees (and strong in other parts).

I wouldn't trust him more than I could fling him (and believe me, I would like to fling him).

I believe that in the US, they call a man such as Johnson 'a difficult dog to keep on the porch'
I've heard it said in relation to Bill Clinton.

Does anyone know if people married in the CofE can get married in Catholic ceremonies?



Bread and circuses.

And I'm sorry in advance, I know some will find this rude...but I wanted to add "the fruit" to the end of silvercollie's post.

Just as a sideline. A divorced (not of her choosing) friend of mine was engaged to a catholic man whose wife had died some years previously. He is a devout catholic ... she isn’t ... and he wanted them to get married in a Catholic Church. So, my friend agreed, reluctantly, to this. They had to go to London and she was to be ‘interviewed ‘ by Father Fernackerpants.
On her return she relayed some of the questions she was asked by FF ... talk about intimate and embarrassing. I will not tell anymore but to say I was gobsmacked by the line of questioning just so my friend could marry the man she loved. This man’s wife had died they hadn’t divorced.
Religion!

CofE marriages don't count as far as Catholics church is concerned.

Hannah - it's all been explained on here too, many times.
Posters are just repeating the same stuff over and over again.
It's what happens when a thread is advertised in the daily email.

Carrie is catholic. Boris was born into a catholic family but became Anglican whilst at Eaton and was confirmed as an Anglican at school. Heard it all explained on the radio. My newspaper was full of wedding photos. I thought Carrie looked beautiful in her simple dress and crown of flowers. Congratulations to them.

Blossoming

Fairly sure someone gave chapter and verse earlier in the thread FannyC but I guess people don’t read earlier posts

Tell me about it!?

Btw - has anyone mentioned that the Catholic Church does not recognise Johnson's two previous marriages? ?

Like an earlier post said, I wish Carrie luck.

She'll need it with such a philandering husband. If Jennifer Arcuri happened to walk by he'd probably go weak at the knees (and strong in other parts).

I wouldn't trust him more than I could fling him (and believe me, I would like to fling him).

Seems the Catholic Church does not recognise Boris’ previous two marriages as they were C of E weddings, and I believe Carrie, a Roman Catholic had not been married before hmmm