Seems we are not unlocking.

Tragic event GG13. Something that will have devastated your wider family.
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Some posts seem to be incredibly self-centred

Just to point out PippaZ that my post was anecdotal. It was a conversation between 2 ladies at the table. Not my own experience.

Moving on.
I like that someone has said the younger generation gave things up to protect us of our advanced years and now it is time for us to do the same for them.

Oh, GrannyGravy, that is incredibly sad.

We just never know, do we.

Deedaa

DD's friend took her family to Dorset for half term. Both children caught colds. When they came back the children had to have Covid tests for school and both were positive. By the next day the older girl was delirious with a high temperature. Both parents were fine. The girls are both recovering but they have no idea how they caught it, just a family group of four, not mixing with anyone else and doing all the outside stuff that is supposed to be safe.

I think someone has posted this before from the Zoe Covid studies. It's headed "Is it a cold? Or is it covid? I think this supplies a lot of data that is worth considering too.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHBua3aXQ7c

It also makes comment about the travel rules.

Callistemon

Football?
Haven’t we been told before GrannyGravy that football is not a matter of life or death - it’s much more important than that!

Yes, we were and after this afternoon even more thought-provoking.

I sincerely hope that the Danish footballer pulls through.

Our darling nephew collapsed during a football match he was playing in, there was no defibrillator available, he died on the pitch leaving a wife and two children.

Football?
Haven’t we been told before GrannyGravy that football is not a matter of life or death - it’s much more important than that!

Yes, we were and after this afternoon even more thought-provoking.

MawBe

^We are repeatedly told that travel to an amber list is for death, serious illness etc^

Football?
Haven’t we been told before GrannyGravy that football is not a matter of life or death - it’s much more important than that!

Good one Maw

Just ignore me, I am feeling melancholy and missing our offspring this evening.

We are repeatedly told that travel to an amber list is for death, serious illness etc

Football?
Haven’t we been told before GrannyGravy that football is not a matter of life or death - it’s much more important than that!

DD's friend took her family to Dorset for half term. Both children caught colds. When they came back the children had to have Covid tests for school and both were positive. By the next day the older girl was delirious with a high temperature. Both parents were fine. The girls are both recovering but they have no idea how they caught it, just a family group of four, not mixing with anyone else and doing all the outside stuff that is supposed to be safe.

Either we in the U.K. can all travel or none of us can.

It shouldn’t just be available for those that can afford the tests which I believe are in the region of £100 (guesstimate).

I am just not a fan of double standards and unfortunately that is the position at the moment. The PM and Government have to grow some b*lls, and make the decision…

Either it’s legal to travel or it’s not!

grannyrebel7

I've heard this control thing before Biscuitmuncherand just don't buy it. The economy suffers with every lockdown so why would the government want to damage the economy any further? It doesn't make any sense.

Could you post which post that is in reply to pleas grannyrebel7. Otherwise it's difficult to make sense of anything. Thanks.

B9exchange Sat 12-Jun-21 19:33:12
You need to have a good reason to want to visit family or friends - new baby for example, but under those circumstances you would get travel insurance. But just to go for a holiday, you won't, and that is the decider for most of us I would think.

That doesn't sound right to me. An insurance company is not usually interested in your motive for the trip - just whether and how likely they are to have to pay out on the policy. They really won't be interested in a new baby or any other reason.

That should be the same when it comes to the "insurance" we should require before anyone goes to another country. In the main, those countries which are safe to travel to don't want our bugs and those that will let us in will give us theirs.

This is another case of governments (not just ours but ours is high on the list) thinking they are more powerful than the virus; they are not. The virus has only one aim. To get into our system and replicate. We have better brains in our countries and we can, eventually, outwit and overcome it but to transmit it from country to country because someone has had a new baby is simply madness.

I've heard this control thing before Biscuitmuncherand just don't buy it. The economy suffers with every lockdown so why would the government want to damage the economy any further? It doesn't make any sense.

maddyone

Urmstongran

Could this government’s nervousness around releasing lockdown attributable to their not actually being confident in the vaccine’s efficacy?

No Urm, the vaccine is showing excellent efficacy in people who have had two vaccines. The people getting Covid now are, as I understand it, mainly younger unvaccinated people, or people who have been vaccinated only once. There have been a small number, 7% I think, who have contracted Covid despite having been fully vaccinated. It would be interesting and pertinent to know a little more about these people. Are they extremely old and frail for example, or have they got underlying conditions?

I can’t find the quote now but yesterday it was reported by a reliable source that the 7% who died all had co-morbidities.

GrannyGravy13

It’s double standards PippaZ sportsmen/women, actors, politicians and now sports fans are apparently given the green card for travel, but the general public no!!

Right. That is nearer to how I feel. The mess with Red, Amber, Green takes some beating and we have certainly seen virus brought back into the country.

Urmstongran

Boris looked shell shocked. 700 admissions to hospital.

700 hospital admissions? Do you have a reputable link for this as I can’t see this being reported anywhere?

George Eustice takes a slightly more relaxed view, according to the BBC. Environment Secretary George Eustice said that people could go to those countries on the amber list if they quarantined when they returned.

"We don't want to stop travel altogether and the reason, as [Health Secretary] Matt Hancock set out, that we have the amber list is there will be reasons why people feel they need to travel, either to visit family or indeed to visit friends," he told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

"They can travel to those countries but they then have to observe quarantine when they return and have two tests after returning.

"So people can travel to those areas, yes, but they will then have to subject themselves to the quarantine requirements on return."

You need to have a good reason to want to visit family or friends - new baby for example, but under those circumstances you would get travel insurance. But just to go for a holiday, you won't, and that is the decider for most of us I would think.

Travel abroad isn’t banned though, as long as you comply with the requirements set down for the UK and the country you are travelling to. The Government has set the rules, and some fans are dedicated to the game so much that they have gone, even though Welsh Government advised against it. Wales are disadvantaged in the Euros because none of the games are taking place at Cardiff, whilst all four of England’s games are at Wembley. Level playing field or not?
On a much more positive front for Wales, we don’t have the massive city centre fanzones that will be in England and Scotland, which will be much more of a Covid risk as it was deemed unwise to do so.

It’s double standards PippaZ sportsmen/women, actors, politicians and now sports fans are apparently given the green card for travel, but the general public no!!

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ

I think the travel "restrictions" are one of the most contentious areas of how the Government has dealt with Covid this year.

I agree, we are desperate to see our eldest AC and wife in an African country , their C is in a mainland European country and unable to get to us or their parents.

It’s heartbreaking for all who have families abroad ?

That wasn't quite what I meant GrannyGravy13.

Casdon

GrannyGravy13 300 Welsh supporters have travelled to Baku, they have all complied with the testing requirements and will isolate when they get home I’m sure - it took a lot of money and effort for them to get there after all. There were 61 cases in Azerbaijan yesterday, the rate is much lower there than in the UK, they have had less than 5000 deaths in total.

It’s the principle, ok to travel for sport but not ok to travel to see family?

We are repeatedly told that travel to an amber list is for death, serious illness etc…

Football?

GrannyGravy13 300 Welsh supporters have travelled to Baku, they have all complied with the testing requirements and will isolate when they get home I’m sure - it took a lot of money and effort for them to get there after all. There were 61 cases in Azerbaijan yesterday, the rate is much lower there than in the UK, they have had less than 5000 deaths in total.

PippaZ

I think the travel "restrictions" are one of the most contentious areas of how the Government has dealt with Covid this year.

I agree, we are desperate to see our eldest AC and wife in an African country , their C is in a mainland European country and unable to get to us or their parents.

It’s heartbreaking for all who have families abroad ?

PippaZ

I think the travel "restrictions" are one of the most contentious areas of how the Government has dealt with Covid this year.

Indeed, they certainly are. Travel has not been dealt with well at all.

I think the travel "restrictions" are one of the most contentious areas of how the Government has dealt with Covid this year.