Royal Thread the Second- Tiaras Optional! ?

a lie not a "lit"

I agree maddy. Meghan said she "went to HR" for help.
Who on earth would do that? Did Harry go to HR for his own help? I very much doubt it. As Meghan had accessed frequent acupuncture in the UK which presumably was not via HR, then I don't believe that an intelligent woman like her would think that going to HR would be the correct procedure. And her claim that this was what she did is either a lit, or actually a dig at Harry because he was surely lacking in not helping her himself.

trisher I believe you have misinterpreted my posts. I can understand Meghan feeling anxious, etc but what I am quibbling about is the lies she has told and the exaggerations to her stories. I am not picking on Meghan ... in fact, I was a great fan at first, but her actions changed my mind, and I would point out that we are allowed to disagree with your own firm views.

Sparklefizz

But why didn't Harry, who was having therapy himself (he said), get her the help she said she needed?

I don’t understand this either. Harry has accessed help for mental health difficulties himself. I do not believe that the RF would have refused help, therefore I think this to be another hit at the RF, and it suggests untruth, which is why, despite having suffered depression myself, I take this claim with a pinch of salt. However, I can understand that the move to a different country, getting married and pregnant quickly, being in the public eye even if she didn’t feel like it (in other words duty) and living in a very different culture, might lead to difficulties in adjustment.

trisher Anne divorced.

Kate accompanies William at public events, she also ‘does her own thing’,

Fergie ? I suppose many families wouldn’t be thrilled with a married member of the family having her toes sucked whilst her children watched.

Diana like Kate did her own thing, AIDS charity , heart surgery,

Katharine Kent manned the phone for the Samaritans, nothing to do with her husband’s work. She also delivered ‘meals on wheels’ during a strike.

Megan had her own interests,writing on bananas to abused women, writing a cookery book.

So it’s rubbish to say ‘they behave in the same way’.

But why didn't Harry, who was having therapy himself (he said), get her the help she said she needed?

Is it not only possible but highly probable moving from being an independent woman to a restricted royal would impact on someone?
I agree*trisher*, so were Harry's brother's comments to him about giving it a bit longer before jumping in not insightful? Instead of which he has trashed even those in public.

trisher

maddyone I assume you weren't living in your-laws house or working for them or living in a new country when you had your episodes, so it's hardly fair to compare is it?
I'm sorry about your episodes but it doesn't qualify you to condemn someone else. Is it not only possible but highly probable moving from being an independent woman to a restricted royal would impact on someone?

I agree with this trisher.

More marriages have broken down in recent years. Previously women just put up with being unhappy, but now they don’t, quite rightly, whether they are in the royal family or any other family. The break down of marriages in the royal family is simply a reflection of the rest of society.

maddyone I assume you weren't living in your-laws house or working for them or living in a new country when you had your episodes, so it's hardly fair to compare is it?
I'm sorry about your episodes but it doesn't qualify you to condemn someone else. Is it not only possible but highly probable moving from being an independent woman to a restricted royal would impact on someone?

I didn’t tell lies about when I got married. I didn’t insinuate that my in laws were racist, sexist, or anything else. They were/are my husband’s family.
With regard to my depression, I refuse to hide it. I have suffered two major episodes of depression in my life, and a few wobbles. I refuse to hide it and don’t feel it makes me a lesser person. I’m not playing the victim because I’m not using it in an interview and accusing my in laws of denying me any help or medical attention. I got myself the appropriate help as and when I needed it. You say Meghan is a strong woman and so she was strong enough to access help when she needed it.

I think I said Kate behaved like a 1950s housewife. It seems to me that one of the things the RF requires of women who marry in is that they behave in such ways. If they don't they are out- Diana, Fergie and Meghan.
Women born into the RF seem to have things easier. Anne- Beatrice, Eugenie
Perhaps if the rules had been relaxed more marriages might have lasted.

I think Harry is very caring towards his wife trisher and was besotted with her from the start (engagement interview). I just wish he wouldn't relate everything back to his mother's very different experience entering and living in the RF.

Maddyone if I accused you of "playing the victim" because you spoke out about your depression you would quite rightly censor me for doing so. Why do you feel you can say such things about Meghan?

Succinctly put maddyone.

Is there a difference then Ellianne between being "naive and ill" and "experienced and ill"? Do experienced women never suffer breakdowns? Is doing what is best for your wife being "manipulated" or simply caring?

I would call Catherine a supportive wife and apparently, from the bits we see, a lovely mum. I expect Meghan is a lovely mum too. But she tells lies and plays the victim, and I’m sorry if that offends some people, but that’s how I see it.

Then let’s talk about Kate, trisher called her a 1950’s housewife .

Agree / disagree ?

lemsip

don't know what this forum would do without meghan.certainly seems to get some posters 'hot under the collar.

Crossed post. Entirely agree, both ways!

Thank you Galaxy , I really know it is not always possible to
know someone is entering an episode.

I question Meg’s claim that she cried whilst in the Albert Hall,
when the lights went down, I could accept ‘felt like crying’
‘fought back the tears’ , ‘was close to crying’ but not ‘I cried when the lights went down’ .

Did you not read that I watched the Diana programme last night and was commenting on the difference between two new to the family brides trisher? Neither was right nor, wrong, just different approaches and maybe entirely different outcomes will ensue.
Why the need to get insensed with your emojis?

don't know what this forum would do without meghan.certainly seems to get some posters 'hot under the collar.

I am not minimising crying annie but what affects my friend is way beyond crying and we missed it or perhaps explained it away.

Manipulating, lying , makes a strong woman ?

Ellianne

^And let's not forget she was an actress so she's used to playing a part.^
Yes, Meghan was trained in that craft so can adapt to situations at the drop of a hat. Also she was nearing 40 years old. Diana was naive and ill equipped to deal with things. Harry needs to understand the difference.
I'm not saying Meghan wasn't unhappy, but she had the tools to manipulate her husband whereas Diana didn't.

Heaven preserve us from strong women. Let's all behave ourselves and do what a man says.....

It is just so sad that so many people feel the need to take out all their agression and anger on one woman, who has done little to deserve it apart from refusing to play games with the RF choosing instead to build a family life where she feels safe.
Mental health problems are never something which should be used to attack another person. No one knows how another person is feeling and someone who may seem reasonably stable in public may go home to self harm in some way. Stop using this as a weapon and realise your own experience doesn't qualify you to criticise someone else.