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Edward not to become the Duke of Edinburgh.

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winterwhite Sun 11-Jul-21 13:10:28

Seems an odd arrangement to have made in the first place, but it may now be thought difficult for anyone else to take on that title before many years have passed.
Maybe some other dukedom will be revived or maybe P Edward himself doesn't want any change.
It doesn't affect the world at large or cost anything so does it matter either way?

Esspee Sun 11-Jul-21 12:47:50

Personally I would like to see an end to the monarchy after our present Queen for whom I have a great deal of respect.
The thought of Charles and his ex mistress lording over us turns my stomach.
The recent expose on how the royal family interfered with law making to ensure that the family would not be inconvenienced financially by laws that now apply to the rest of us was the last straw.

Chardy Sun 11-Jul-21 12:06:02

There have been other Dukes of Edinburgh, (and Sussex and Cambridge) conferred by monarchs usually on their children. Victoria's son was a Duke of Edinburgh.

Blondiescot Sun 11-Jul-21 11:51:06

Anniebach

How would you get rid of them ? who would you want to get rid of ?

I'm thinking along the lines of what maddyone said. If we have to have a royal family at all, there should be a king (or queen) plus their spouses and children, full stop. No need for any others. I appreciate that there are, at present, some hard-working members of the RF, but once they go, it should be pared right back to the bare minimum.

Rosycheeks Sun 11-Jul-21 10:45:36

I think there was only one D.O.E and that was Prince Phillip. I think we dont need another one.

Alegrias1 Sun 11-Jul-21 10:42:47

By the time William is on the throne, there will be at least 3 other Royal Dukes, George, Louis and Harry. George and Louis will no doubt have their own families and any of George's sons will eventually become Royal Dukes. Archie will be entitled to be a Royal Duke when Charles ascends, we'll have to wait and see what happens. Charlotte's male children will be entitled to be Royal Dukes when they become adults.

I don't think we're going to run out of people to have on the balcony any time soon.

maddyone Sun 11-Jul-21 10:39:27

Some titles were conferred on members of the RF by the Queen when they married. Whilst I think the Queen has been a good Head of State, I think she is firmly planted in the past, and giving these titles as a ‘gift’ should never have happened. The RF needs to modernise and slim down in my opinion. That means no ‘gifted’ titles upon marriage, and only the immediate heirs to the crown being able to use the title ‘Prince’ or ‘Princess.’ Therefore only Prince Charles and Prince William would be able to call their children Prince/Princess. Not Andrew, Edward, Anne, Harry. That’s my opinion,others may disagree.

Alegrias1 Sun 11-Jul-21 10:33:27

Unfortunately "IMO" doesn't get a look in when it comes to Royalty. Its "What they say goes".

Charles is Duke of Edinburgh. That's it.

timetogo2016 Sun 11-Jul-21 10:25:51

The title died with him IMO.

Calendargirl Sun 11-Jul-21 10:23:07

The RF will slim down due to ‘natural wastage’ I suppose.

Just think about it. We have another thread running about Princess Alexandra. She is in her 80’s. As is the Duke of Kent. The Gloucesters and the other Kents must be well in their 70’s.

Their adult children have minor titles, but although the eldest sons might assume the dukedoms in due course, they will no longer be ‘Royal’ dukes.

Princess Anne’s children and GC have no titles, carry out no royal duties. I don’t think Andrew’s and Edward’s will either.

So in time to come, maybe not in our lifetimes, the RF will look very different to how it is even now.

By the time William is on the throne, there won’t be huge numbers of family on the balcony at Trooping The Colour and such, probably not when Charles is King either.

Katie59 Sun 11-Jul-21 10:20:50

Wether you agree with Royal title or not they are a fact of life, some RF members are active and high profile some are not, the realitiy is that royal patronage is valued by a great many organizations. It’s their choice they could choose a celebrity as a figurehead, it’s all irrelevant because there are plenty of hereditary aristocrats who do little or no patronage.

After WW1 most of the European aristocracy lost their official status, 100 yrs on there are still Princes, Dukes and Duchesses, they are family titles with no official role. Even in places like India they retain many of the Maharajas as ceremonial figureheads, for cultural and historic reasons.

Anniebach Sun 11-Jul-21 10:09:00

How would you get rid of them ? who would you want to get rid of ?

Blondiescot Sun 11-Jul-21 09:51:43

Lucca

Does it matter ? Sorry but all these titles seem wrong to me in 2021. Completely meaningless.

Completely agree. And now would be the perfect time to pare the Royal Family right down. If we must retain a monarchy, we should keep it to the very bare minimum and get rid of all the others with their meaningless titles who contribute little or nothing.

Alegrias1 Sun 11-Jul-21 09:51:42

That's true enough Ellianne. Doesn't make any difference about Edinburgh though. Or Sussex. Or Wessex. Or York. Or Cambridge. Or Rothesay. Or even Forfar confused

Googled the Duke of Cornwall thing: As part of his feudal dues there was a pair of white gloves, gilt spurs and greyhounds, a pound of pepper and cumin, a bow, one hundred silver shillings , wood for his fires, and a salmon spear.

This is no way for a modern country to behave, is it?

Ellianne Sun 11-Jul-21 09:47:46

Alegrias1

I once had to explain to a very well educated and cosmopolitan Frenchman that the Duke of Edinburgh did not, in fact, have anything to do with the running of the city of Edinburgh. Or any other city, actually.

Just thinking, isn't the Duchy of Cornwall run under the stewardship of The Duke of Cornwall, Prince Charles?
The title has some relevance here.

Alegrias1 Sun 11-Jul-21 09:41:20

I once had to explain to a very well educated and cosmopolitan Frenchman that the Duke of Edinburgh did not, in fact, have anything to do with the running of the city of Edinburgh. Or any other city, actually.

Oopsadaisy1 Sun 11-Jul-21 09:33:15

He is already the Earl of Forfar, I doubt the Scots would want another English Duke of anywhere in Scotland.

BigBertha1 Sun 11-Jul-21 07:05:39

I like the Royals but this was a made up title for Prince Philip so let it go now. Not sure the Scots want it.

BlueBelle Sun 11-Jul-21 05:48:23

I agree lucca who cares, load of pretentious nonsense

Lucca Sun 11-Jul-21 03:58:44

Does it matter ? Sorry but all these titles seem wrong to me in 2021. Completely meaningless.

CafeAuLait Sun 11-Jul-21 03:13:03

Do we know if Edward wants the title? He seems to be happy leading a low key life with his family.

Esspee Sun 11-Jul-21 00:43:09

The Times is reporting that although the Queen, her late husband the Duke of Edinburgh and Prince Charles had previously agreed that the title DoE would eventually pass to Edward, Prince Charles the current DoE is not now intending to pass the title on to his younger brother when he becomes king.
Any ideas what that is all about?