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YoungNannie Mon 12-Jul-21 15:39:06

Hi there! First ever post. I am early 50's and husband few years older. I've recently discovered by accident (because he won't have his bank statements lying around the house and shreds them as soon as he receives them) that he has gone through £25k of his pension installment (which I knew he was applying for ) in just under 3 years - that's as well as working decent job full time.

In addition (and not to my knowledge) as the funds were dwindling he has approached his pension provider for another payout letting me believe he still had a lot of his original left.

In addition he has had other small windfalls in the last couple of years.

So when a bank statement arrived I found it - one day alone was £1100 on gambling and he has admitted that he plays on line when he is bored and its never normally that much (just the 3 months I viewed the statement for conveniently!).

He's adamant its his money to do what he wants with even though I stress its our future joint pension money (I work full time too and we have a similar income and future pension pot). We pay everything for the house/holidays etc 50/50.

He says as long as he is paying his share of the house etc its his money to do what he wants with and is none of my business.

How would you react?

Whatdayisit Thu 15-Jul-21 11:25:45

Firstly i have been in your shoes finding husband with a gambling addiction. Don't underestimate it that is what it is.
£1100 in one day has he got a problem yes you both have .

Get your money seperated or you will lose your share.

Online gambling is like crack cocaine.

I found out exhusband had gambled the lot while my son was in hospital he was 'relieved' when i found out. I had to start again in my 40s. He won't stop. I can't tell you enough to seperate your money. Or lose it.

Rosycheeks Thu 15-Jul-21 11:19:29

My husband liked a flutter when I meet him so it wasnt a problem just his sort of hobby I suppose. He always paid for everything even though I was working full time my money was mine. He got letters which I never opened which were credit cards.
About 4 years ago he came in from work and said he had to speak to me and said he had got into a load of debt and had to have a loan to sort it out. He said I had to put my name to the loan as well as his. I was really upset but of course I signed .
I said if he ever did that again I would leave him.
I think it shocked him how much he had to lend that he has never gambled again. I know he has stopped because he is now saving money and in a way I am proud of him for stopping as he has gambled since his teens, he is now in his late 50s. What I want to say is like all addictions it only stops if you want it too. I wish you luck YoungNannie.

Mumofthree Thu 15-Jul-21 10:47:08

YoungNannie

Thank you everyone for participating I’m going to get all my pensions together and make appt with fa today and secure them to my daughter I think and then try another conversation to see if he’ll admit spending habits and go from there. Much appreciate everyone thanks

I think that is the best and wisest thing to do. good luck and I hope he gets some help, if needed.

YoungNannie Tue 13-Jul-21 08:59:08

Thank you everyone for participating I’m going to get all my pensions together and make appt with fa today and secure them to my daughter I think and then try another conversation to see if he’ll admit spending habits and go from there. Much appreciate everyone thanks

silverlining48 Tue 13-Jul-21 08:14:41

You ask how we would react. I would be furious and would have to seriously consider my future. His attitude is uncaring of your feelings and it’s clear he isn’t considering getting help for his addiction so things will only get worse. Do get advice.
Trust so easily lost is very hard to regain. I am sorry.

Ladyleftfieldlover Mon 12-Jul-21 22:19:18

I’m not sure wives are liable for their husband’s debts. A friend only discovered her OHs massive credit card bill (his card and not a joint one) after he had died. She wasn’t liable and the £30,000 was simply written off.

kissngate Mon 12-Jul-21 22:11:16

You need to get advice quickly particularly regarding your house and finances. A relative did similar played down his gambling said it was just betting on horses. There was a lot of income coming in from his wifes businesses but she wasnt well so hadnt the energy to do anything about it. Sadly she died and over next four years he gambled everything away. Sold two businesses to pay debts then lost house. He is still gambling but living with someone else. If he says hes spending £1k per day you can treble that. Dont lose everything take steps now to protect your assets.

NotAGran55 Mon 12-Jul-21 20:42:15

The OP isn’t responsible for her husband’s debts if they are in his name only .
However , she will be responsible if they are in joint names - she will be
‘ jointly and severally liable’.

Smileless2012 Mon 12-Jul-21 20:30:09

You need to get legal advice asap YoungNannie and take steps to protect yourself financially.

I also suggest you contact your mortgage provider to make sure that he hasn't taken out any loans against your home. I don't mean to frighten you but as Redhead has sadly experienced, it does happen.

Your husband is selfishly and secretively spending his share of what you believed your joint retirement fund. Would he have told you if you hadn't found out by accident?

At the very least I would heed Grandmabatty's advice but TBH if this was me, I'd get out now.

Oopsadaisy1 Mon 12-Jul-21 19:59:47

Oh dear, you need to sort this out quick as there will be no respite from this, he’s onto a win win situation, you are jointly responsible for His debts and if you split up he will want part of your pension pot in the settlement and he will probably get it too. if he’s gambled your home away then I hope you have family who will take you in.
I know someone who this happened to. (So it isn’t just a worse case scenario) his debts were many and not just online.

YoungNannie Mon 12-Jul-21 19:26:33

Sorry I am listening to all advice what I meant was I can’t say for sure what all money has been spent on, there was couple holidays etc during that period (although I paid out of just wages so?)

Thanks

Harris27 Mon 12-Jul-21 19:14:33

I would be very worried after reading this.

Grandmabatty Mon 12-Jul-21 19:04:13

You are defending him. "I don't know if the gambling is serious" in your latest post but in your opening post you said he had gone through £25k of his pension and had approached them to get more. You obviously don't like what people say and that's your prerogative but we have given you good advice. This is not going to end well.

tanith Mon 12-Jul-21 18:41:10

YoungNannie are you not concerned about your future? This problem isn’t going away if you do nothing. You’re retirement is in jeopardy, you are liable for his debts if you do nothing I hope you come back and take the advice seriously and do something to safeguard yourself.

YoungNannie Mon 12-Jul-21 17:45:40

Thank you so much everyone for taking time to reply.

I think I have 2 issues: as we’ve always had our own accounts but a joint one paid into separate for house/bills/food etc he is classing his pension as his own money….

Also I’m not defending him but I don’t know if the gambling is serious although I guess transfers of 1100 in one day is (he said he won £800 back though)

I really can’t be bothered with the non speaking so far for 2 weeks as he just keeps responding with the same ‘it’s my money and my business’ sorry everyone I’ll leave you in peace now ?

sodapop Mon 12-Jul-21 17:13:49

I agree with Grandmabatty your husband should be getting help for his gambling addiction. You do need to protect yourself and your finances for your future retirement. Get some professional advice as soon as possible YoungNannie

GillT57 Mon 12-Jul-21 17:11:49

Be very careful here, as others have said there is joint liability with debts, and if he is being so secretive about how much he hs squandered, I think you can safely assume that whatever he has told you is nowhere near the reality. If he squanders his lump sum, and is spending chunks of his income too, how do you feel about supporting you both on your pension only? Can you afford to? It may be worth taking legal advice as to ringfencing your own pension and protecting your jointly owned home from borrowing against it.

Grandmabatty Mon 12-Jul-21 17:07:52

As someone earlier said, you are married so any debt incurred you are equally liable for. He is heavily addicted and will not stop and it will get much worse. If he uses up his pension on gambling then he will be living off your pension only. It doesn't matter that you think he's 'caring'. If he was truly caring he would be trying to get help or stop gambling. I would be giving an ultimatum : hand over all control of moneys to me or I walk. My aunt did this and my uncle stopped so it can be done.

Gwyneth Mon 12-Jul-21 17:04:29

You really need to seek advice on protecting your own pension pot and finances quickly so that you are not liable for any future debts he might incur or you could have a miserable retirement. It sounds like your husband has a serious gambling addiction and needs help.

FlexibleFriend Mon 12-Jul-21 17:03:58

I'd seriously consider divorce and split before you retire and get a lump sum or that will disappear in the same way. Is he expecting you to pay for all the upkeep of the house on your own because he'll have nothing left. He doesn't seem to care what you think about what he's doing so you might as well go it alone.

Barmeyoldbat Mon 12-Jul-21 17:02:34

Get financial help and advice now and put in steps to protect yourself.

Redhead56 Mon 12-Jul-21 17:02:31

My ex many years ago was living a double life and got loans on our mortgage without my knowledge.
I think even if your marriage was ok before this it isn’t now the trust will be gone.
You need to protect what finances you have now when his runs out he will drain yours that is what gamblers do.
My friend lost everything because of her husbands gambling and so did my brother.

DiscoDancer1975 Mon 12-Jul-21 17:00:16

But it’s not only his money. You’re married, so everything is jointly owned. If he takes this stance, when his runs out, he’ll want yours.
You need to nip this addiction in the bud quickly, before everything is gone.

YoungNannie Mon 12-Jul-21 16:53:39

Hi Everyone - thanks for your responses. It isnt a joint pension - he has his own works ones as do I but I never ever thought of cashing any in when the time comes.

I have asked him how much he is spending/wasting away and he just says its his money to do what he wants with and as we have our own money thats how it will be with our pensions? I don't want to get too old to be able to do anything about it if I want to?

In other ways he's caring, helpful around the house etc etc.

Peasblossom Mon 12-Jul-21 16:53:16

When you’re married all debts are joint debts. You could find yourself owing a lot of money. It happened to a friend. The house was sold to pay the debts and on divorce she had to give him almost half of her pension because he only had a small amount left in his pension pot.

You need financial advice now !