Mridul Wadhwa - Male CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis

May7

I'm very undecided and I can honestly see both sides of your arguments and trust me I've agreed with all of you at some point over the last 2_3_4 days but.... the insistence of some posters to refer to MW as he I just feel is petty and unkind. Pissed me off really

Well, if you are pissed off enough to join a thread on p26 just to say so, you aren’t as undecided as you claim.

Perhaps joining in the discussion would help you to make up your mind?

I don’t have a problem with calling MW ‘she’, as I think that people can change gender, but I don’t agree that anyone can change sex. I have said this 2734 times already though (as have others), so won’t explain my reasoning again.

Thank you FarNorth.

Would it really hurt you to refer to this transgender person as She Its such a small ask really isnt it??

No, it isn't a small ask.
It's an ask that makes it impossible to have a sensible conversation because a word that should mean 'female person' is being used to mean 'male person'.

MW is a 'he' and always will be, because of being male.
Why does the existence of biological sex piss you off, May7?

Hi May7
What is your opinion on the MW situation apart from being p*** off by a pronoun?

May7

I'm very undecided and I can honestly see both sides of your arguments and trust me I've agreed with all of you at some point over the last 2_3_4 days but.... the insistence of some posters to refer to MW as he I just feel is petty and unkind. Pissed me off really

Why?

According to reports, this person does not hold a Gender Recognition Certificate therefore has not satisfied the criteria for legal recognition in the acquired gender.

Therefore this person applied for the job under false pretences and lied by omission.

Referring to them as 'he' is not inappropriate at this time.

I'm very undecided and I can honestly see both sides of your arguments and trust me I've agreed with all of you at some point over the last 2_3_4 days but.... the insistence of some posters to refer to MW as he I just feel is petty and unkind. Pissed me off really

Welcome May7. What a timely visit to this thread.
I too would be interested to know your opinion on the MH situation.

May7

Ive read what you ALL have to say and I find it all very informative. Thats why I follow GN threads. I rarely comment on the politics thread but I do follow them and I'm really interested in all your opinions I usually can see both sides of the argument and the links provided save me for having to search for myself (lazy I know but hey I'm used to delegating) However the insistence of some posters in calling MW he is at best unkind. Would it really hurt you to refer to this transgender person as She Its such a small ask really isnt it??

What is your opinion on the MH situation, May7?

A gentle voice May7. ?

Ive read what you ALL have to say and I find it all very informative. Thats why I follow GN threads. I rarely comment on the politics thread but I do follow them and I'm really interested in all your opinions I usually can see both sides of the argument and the links provided save me for having to search for myself (lazy I know but hey I'm used to delegating) However the insistence of some posters in calling MW he is at best unkind. Would it really hurt you to refer to this transgender person as She Its such a small ask really isnt it??

What is a person without uterus, breasts or penis?

Are you asking me because you're not sure?

Trisher, yes you have. I believe people used to talk about their body parts back then Although I don’t actually have any experience of that. I leave that to GJ.

Mollygo

Yes I know what you mean, But does your partner know you’re sharing all sorts of information about your body parts with people who really don’t want to know?

Gosh have I suddenly timewarped to the 1950's?

He wouldn't give a stuff. It's not the issue you seem to think it is. However, it isn't his body anyway so not his decision.

Yes I know what you mean, But does your partner know you’re sharing all sorts of information about your body parts with people who really don’t want to know?

You know what I mean. Don't be disingenuous. What is a person without uterus, breasts or penis? It? Or the pronoun they chose?

Chewbacca, calling someone who has, is and will continue to present as a transwomen 'he' as you repeatedly do out you as discriminating.

He has a penis and testicles; ergo he is a biological male. I sometimes sit on the table in the hall, it doesn't mean I'm a telephone. We can all call ourselves anything we want, but it doesn't necessarily make it fact.

How offensive. Would you call me an 'it' because I have no uterus or breasts?

I don't "call you" anything; why would I? I don't discuss or refer to you by anything other than your nic name.

At last we agree on something, though without your prompting I wouldn’t have been rude enough to admit it.
Here you are.

I wish we had an eye roll emoji!

Off you go then.
I didn’t say you had to. I said proving it is something else especially when you don’t have to.
I’m still getting thanks, cards and occasionally gifts now so I must be doing something right.

I don't need to prove it to your Mollygo. I have the cards of thanks, not to mention that I'm still in touch with some of them. I keep all the cards and notes. Which reminds me. It'd be nice to go through them all again.

GagaJo

It's a shame you feel that way, but you're entitled to your opinion. I'm sure none of the women that I've helped or supported in the past have felt that way. But no woman is an island.

I’m sure we can all say that about our actions. Proving it is something else.

It's a shame you feel that way, but you're entitled to your opinion. I'm sure none of the women that I've helped or supported in the past have felt that way. But no woman is an island.

GagaJo you could equally have said that to me. I find you very discriminatory against natal women and your posts have helped me understand why you might be like that.
What you have chosen to reveal about yourself and your body is up to you. What you choose to reveal about your partner’s opinions is also up to you.
If you choose to support someone who, because if his sex, lied by omission to get a job working with vulnerable women, particularly those whose vulnerability is caused by a man then that’s up to you too.
If I don’t see that as right, it doesn’t make me any more discriminatory than you, because you discriminate against natal women who feel their rights are being eroded by some transwomen, although possibly not by the ‘softly spoken and very kind’ ones.