The unvaccinated

I know how my body reacted to Covid because I caught Covid last December/January. I’ve said it before on Gransnet so many apologies to those who already know, but obviously some posters obviously don’t know. I became extremely ill Itsawelshthing and was hospitalised for twelve days, was on oxygen for all that time except one day, had eight different drugs put into my body, by drip, by injection, and by mouth. When I went home I was extremely weakened and couldn’t even walk up the stairs without stopping two or three times to get my breath back. It took over six weeks after that to get back to something approaching normal, but the chest pains continued after that, and I still get them occasionally now. My muscles are weakened and although I can walk fine, I can’t walk as far as I did before. I also get more tired than I did before. That’s how Covid affected me Itsawelshthing. I had Covid pneumonia, that’s what made me so ill. I think I’m lucky to be here and I think people who won’t get the vaccine are completely selfish. Some people can’t have the vaccine, and we who can have it, should do so to protect them from what I went through.

Incidentally, whilst we know that if you’re double jabbed you can still catch Covid, there are many fewer people getting Covid who are double jabbed and this slows down the transmission (I’ve just heard an expert say this very thing on Jeremy Vine.) We also know that transmission is reduced if you’re vaccinated, I’ve heard the number is 60%, so the vaccine reduces transmission by 60%. We should get the vaccine and not be selfish.

I help to run a small library and information centre here in France. We have had to set up a system for scanning vaccination certificates and have QR codes for track and trace purposes. It's a hassle as we are all volunteers but without it we are not allowed to stay open.

Sorry know better

I also live near a city where many think they no better in some areas vacination take up is abysmal and guess what the fourth highest infection rate in the country
Now is there a correlation in these facts I suppose they will all catch it and then rates might go down

Itsawelshthing I had the vacinne because it has proved that I am far less likely to get seriously ill need hospital or the ultimate death The NHS needs people not to require their intervention
I do not have a Scooby how my body would react to the virus without vacination
I have seen a few catch it after vacination they had a mild sniffle or no symptoms at all

No I'm not concerned because I don't understand how vaccination will stop the spread if you can still catch and spread covid from and to other people, so surely vaccinated individuals should be concerned about it as well? It honestly makes no sense at all. As I said before, maybe in future I will get the vaccine depending on how the trial goes. That's fine if they refuse me entry to any events or pubs, I will cope just like thousand of other people who are not getting vaccinated as well. I know I am coming across selfish but the government are as well for coercing people, especially YOUNG people, to get this.

itsawelshthing, but aren't you concerned for the people you care for.
with any vaccination, there will be 5-10% of people in whom it does not work, doesn't protect them.
then add in all the people who are immuno-suppressed, many of whom are among those needing care.
so you are going to a vulnerable group, and possibly shortening their lives or making them very ill.
no one knows who how when a person gets infected.
why take the risk. how can you do that to them. you have choice, they don't. they are sitting ducks.
you can choose to work at something else.
they cannot choose not to need care.
please consider your position, not just at the end of the year, but now.

I read an article about people getting Bell's Palsy after their jab - I can't remember which vaccine it was, though.
I'm sure it will be on the Internet

My DiL had the Moderna vaccine and a couple of weeks later she developed Cranial Palsy which meant one eye stopped moving and her eyelid drooped. This is very unusual in a young person and they are wondering if the vaccine was the cause.
There is no way of telling, of course, but she is reluctant to have the second jab.

Normally I wouldn’t approve of the population being forced to do something as personal as getting a vaccination but I think I’ve changed my mind on this. It’s obvious that Covid isn’t going away anytime soon, and the large numbers of people who refuse to be vaccinated is feeding the rising numbers here in the UK and probably elsewhere too. The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer cases of Covid, although there’ll always be some as things stand at the moment. Therefore it should be illegal to enter any public building without a vaccine passport in my opinion. Obviously those unable to have the vaccine would need an exemption passport, issued by a doctor. Children would be exempt as currently they are unable to have the vaccine. France are doing the right thing for their society. We should do the right thing for ours.

Germanshepherdsmum

So Itsawelshthing, do I correctly understand that you are currently working as a carer, and expect to do so until at least the end of the year, whilst refusing to be vaccinated?

It's my body and my choice though. If everyone is vaccinated then why does it bother them so much whether I'm jabbed or not? I don't mean to go on about this here cos I am coming across very selfish and you all have a right to think that I am. I am not anti vax, I've had all of my usual ones including the hpv that was fairly new and it made me extremely poorly for months on end that I had to resit a year at college cos I just was not getting better. I honestly thought I was a goner. I never want to go through that ever again and that's what I am fearful of with the covid vaccine which is new / under trials until 2023.

Germanshepherdsmum

Ah, these healthy people, can’t happen to me. The story about the hairdresser is amazing. She wouldn’t have me on her client list. Poor father. Still wondering if Itsawelshthing is still working as a carer. I’m one of the ‘no jab, no job’ brigade, especially with carers and NHS staff. X days to show proof of vaccination or collect your P45.

I will happily collect my P45.

RomRoot

I don't agree, as you can still pass it on if vaccinated; it makes no difference at all. You can catch it after being jabbed twice.

Both my friends who are double jabbed caught covid second time. They said they feel worse than they did when they got it the first time, which is weird really but they're on the mend now thank goodness x

Covid is going to be with us for a very long time. It is continuing to mutate and therefore the vaccine will not protect us against new variants, that's another reason why I am not having it done. I do and will continue to wear masks, maintain social distance and isolate if needed.

Which countries make vacination mandatory
Certainly isn't going to work here

I think the vaccination should be mandatory and the countries who do this are right. We are too soft.
My mother had a hospital/medical phobia, so I never had any vaccinations, polio etc. I now think she was completely wrong, bless her. She even urged me not to have a hysterectomy as she had a breakdown after her op. I ended up having blood transfusions and in a right mess. Ignorance is deadly.
I’m so looking forward to my theatre visit next week and I have to produce proof of vaccination and rightly so. We must all do all we can to get rid of this thing.
I also live in a town where a healthy, early forties young man died, a keep fit, mountain walking, weightlifting chap who believed he didn’t need a jab.

I think there is a middle ground somewhere
God knows where it is though

I don't agree, as you can still pass it on if vaccinated; it makes no difference at all. You can catch it after being jabbed twice.

Kate54

Amazed at how many here are keeping in contact with those who refuse the vaccine. I’m afraid it would be a friendship breaker for me or at least mark a hige shift in the relationship. No lunch dates or invitations to my home, that’s for sure. I believe this is the best way to educate.

So glad you’re not one of my friends ..if you have been double jabbed why does it matter to you who has been vaccinated or not ..do you plan to ask everyone you come in contact with! Bearing in mind that one your vaccinated friends could still pass it onto you or others anyhow …

SueDonim

Some people volunteer their vaccine status. Some anti-vaxers seem very keen to broadcast their status to all and sundry, along with their mad reasoning such as not wanting to be injected with a magnet.

... and one guy on the News a while ago seriously said he didn't want Bill Gates to know his bank balance !!!

Bill Gates wouldn't be impressed with mine.

Some people volunteer their vaccine status. Some anti-vaxers seem very keen to broadcast their status to all and sundry, along with their mad reasoning such as not wanting to be injected with a magnet.

How on earth do people know other peoples vaccination status.

Ah, these healthy people, can’t happen to me. The story about the hairdresser is amazing. She wouldn’t have me on her client list. Poor father. Still wondering if Itsawelshthing is still working as a carer. I’m one of the ‘no jab, no job’ brigade, especially with carers and NHS staff. X days to show proof of vaccination or collect your P45.

My friend who is a healthy 55 year old who takes many vitamins and supplements, eats well and does everything right thought that if she got Covid it would be mild and she would be able to shake it off in no time.

She has just spent 12 days in bed horribly poorly with Covid.

My friend told me today that her hairdresser won’t have a vaccine. Apparently, she takes lots of vitamins and supplements so won’t get Covid and even if she does, it’ll be mild. . She cares for her elderly father, as well. I said to my friend that I’d be looking for a new hairdresser.