The unvaccinated

Surprised the headline isn’t “The Unclean” ?
I m not sure that we can force people to be vaccinated what about those who can’t for medical reasons
I know in some countries it will be made law
I believe in USA kids have to be on medication if they have ADHD and want to attend school and I don’t agree with that either, I think in some European countries kids can’t go to school without having had their childhood jabs (I d have been in a pickle as my parents didn’t give me any vaccinations as a child, I don’t know why I never thought to ask, just accepted that I wasn’t having them)
It’s a difficult one I have just one friend who has refused and I have been out to lunch with her relying on my own vaccination to protect me
As for anywhere else, cinema, workplace etc etc I ve no way of knowing who has or who hasn’t so I don’t really consider it or think about it
The numbers for being double vaccinated in U.K. are fairly high I think nearly 80% now isn’t it ?
I do wonder how long those of us vaccinated early in the year will be protected? Have they done any recent work on how long the immunity lasts ?

I can see why some public places such as gyms and restaurants would require people to have been vaccinated but it is then very difficult for those who can't be vaccinated because of health reasons.

You and me both. Insisting on people being vaccinated before they can go to certain places or events is the only way to get some of them to do it IMO. However you may be sure the human rights lobby will be challenging it. I’m glad you’re vaccinated. Some people’s views are beyond belief.

Vaccinated people can carry the infection, even if they are not ill.
So I wonder if the danger is similar from either vaccinated or not.
Does anyone here know?

Unvaccinated people are the ones who are more likely to have a serious illness so perhaps if that happens to large numbers of people, some may have a re-think.

Sorry that was to OP.

The only place for insisting on vaccinations as far as I can see is healthcare provision, where you might be putting the vulnerable who are already sick or frail at risk. Hep B vaccinations are usually mandatory in such situations, so I can see no reason not to include Covid jabs. It you don't want to take the vaccine, then you can find alternative employment. But I am totally against forcing everyone to take the vaccine, it only leads to resistance.

Vaccination or negative test should be the choice.

Not everybody can be vaccinated so there should be an alternative.

Pittcity I'm wondering if negative tests for all would be a better requirement anyway - as vaccinated people can still carry the infection.

I honestly don’t know what to believe. I had my double jab because at my age I thought it was the best option, despite fear of blood clots etc. As FarNorth says do we know for sure whether us vaccinated are less danger to others? If the vaccine is not compulsory, how can they insist on proof of it before being admitted to certain venues? I keep reading about this on fb but I get more and more confused.

BlueBelle

Surprised the headline isn’t “The Unclean” ?
I m not sure that we can force people to be vaccinated what about those who can’t for medical reasons
I know in some countries it will be made law
I believe in USA kids have to be on medication if they have ADHD and want to attend school and I don’t agree with that either, I think in some European countries kids can’t go to school without having had their childhood jabs (I d have been in a pickle as my parents didn’t give me any vaccinations as a child, I don’t know why I never thought to ask, just accepted that I wasn’t having them)
It’s a difficult one I have just one friend who has refused and I have been out to lunch with her relying on my own vaccination to protect me
As for anywhere else, cinema, workplace etc etc I ve no way of knowing who has or who hasn’t so I don’t really consider it or think about it
The numbers for being double vaccinated in U.K. are fairly high I think nearly 80% now isn’t it ?
I do wonder how long those of us vaccinated early in the year will be protected? Have they done any recent work on how long the immunity lasts ?

Zoe app, Professor Spector and team, have videos on You Tube discussing and giving answers on this.

I also think that people who have "a slight cold" shouldn't just carry on regardless. I know this is easier said than done if you need to work. There must be a way for us to live with these viruses and infections.

I have had both vaccines but, other than in healthcare situations, I am strongly against compulsion. I have a friend who is strongly anti-vaxx, we do not discuss it. I now appreciate that although we may both pass it, unwittingly, on to each other, I am more likely to fight it off, so her decision, her health.

Pittcity

I also think that people who have "a slight cold" shouldn't just carry on regardless. I know this is easier said than done if you need to work. There must be a way for us to live with these viruses and infections.

Unfortunately we can’t all stop work for a case of the sniffles a simple lateral flow test will give you a clue if it’s anything else. Not perfect but better than nothing

The pass is mandatory in France for a lot of places now, restaurants, bars, cinemas, large shops, trains, museums and many more.

I clearly remember a patient a chap in his 20's who got Polio, which apparently he picked up from his recently vaccinated baby
His mother didn't believe in vacation!
No one at the time could believe it.

Compulsion is probably a step too far but any venue has a right to refuse people who are unvaccinated just as they can refuse people who are drunk or wearing the wrong clothes.

Just an add on - the friend I mentioned initially now has COVID, she is a care worker in the USA and has passed it on to the 93 year old woman she cares for - unbelievable! Yes, and she is still in denial and says she caught it off the illegal immigrants coming across the border, whom I might add she never comes in to contact with!!

Surprised the headline isn’t “The Unclean”

Me too. I'm just waiting for the lynching parties to start. Oh for the good old days when we could just lock up people whose views and lifestyles we disagreed with.

rosie1959

Pittcity

I also think that people who have "a slight cold" shouldn't just carry on regardless. I know this is easier said than done if you need to work. There must be a way for us to live with these viruses and infections.

Unfortunately we can’t all stop work for a case of the sniffles a simple lateral flow test will give you a clue if it’s anything else. Not perfect but better than nothing

I’ve had more than a ‘slight’ cold for the past few days, so was v glad dh had ordered a batch of tests, esp. since Gdcs are coming to stay for a couple of nights later today.
Test came up negative within a few minutes.

Amberone

^Surprised the headline isn’t “The Unclean” ^

Me too. I'm just waiting for the lynching parties to start. Oh for the good old days when we could just lock up people whose views and lifestyles we disagreed with.

that is not a valid comparison.
this is a potentially deadly communicable disease, a matter of public health.
it is nothing like choosing to live with a man or a woman, wearing pink earrings, living off grid, or eating only fruit.

as for discussion of vaccination being compulsory; where has it seriously been suggested.
it is not compulsory to go to night-clubs, gyms etc.; if one chooses to do so, there are entry conditions.
one does not have to work caring for others; if one chooses to do so, then measures must be taken to protect those others.

I have nothing against having to prove you've had the vaccination to access various establishments. We are going to an open air concert on Saturday and this is an entry requirement.

For those who are unable to have the vaccine for medical reasons, I think they should be provided with documentation that says this is why they haven't been vaccinated.

I don't agree that vaccinations should be made compulsory, but if choosing not to be results in not being able to access certain venues etc., that should be considered in making the decision by the individuals concerned.

I will live. I haven't been out for years or mingled with any friends or families anyway, I am quite comfortable staying at home. I refuse to he coerced into having it.

People are free to decide for themselves whether they wish to be vaccinated, but shouldn't business owners also be free to decide whether they want unvaccinated people using their premises in order to protect their workforce?

Freedom works both ways - you can't demand to be able to decide for yourself whether you have the vaccine but refuse to allow others to decide whether they want you on their premises.

Pittcity

I also think that people who have "a slight cold" shouldn't just carry on regardless. I know this is easier said than done if you need to work. There must be a way for us to live with these viruses and infections.

Impossible! As a teacher (just for example) if I’d stayed off work for a cold I’d have been in serious bother !