Poor baby - run home to mummy!

I'm a republican. I've tried never to make judgements about Andrew's guilt and I've never denied anybody's humanity. A couple of people have been very vocal in what they think.

So just because you disagree very strongly with what some posters say and they happen to be Republican, please don't tar us all with the same brush and don't use that as an excuse for having Royalist sympathies.

People on here call Johnson all the names under the sun, but it doesn't make me want to vote Tory.

MOnica the RF are not human , they don’t have any emotions because they have wealth.

they bleed liquid gold not blood. They don’t experience love, fear, sadness, grief.

The republicans on this thread have as a general rule been so unpleasant in their posts, denying members of the RF even their common humanity, that they have moved me from a position of profound indifference firmly into the monarchy camp. Was that their intention, because it was specifically their posts that did it?

PA is very fortunate that a few million paid by mummy will get him out of this mess so I doubt if it will ever go to court. We are not all so fortunate.

What is so newsworthy about that?

That would be a crime.
The 17-year old may have been trafficked.
He denied it on TV
He won't voluntarily discuss it with the relevant authorities.
His mum is one of the most powerful women in the world.

What puzzles me about the posts on this subject is that since we all agree that no one is above the law and all are equal in law, the story boils down to 'man alleged to have had sex with 17-yr-old in the US'. What is so newsworthy about that?

All the Queens children and grandchildren visit Balmoral
in August.

He hasn't been convicted of having "sex with a trafficked woman" and as far as I'm aware, the claim that a member of the RF made a racist comment is yet to be substantiated.

With so much 'fake news' during that so called interview, it's understandable that the validity of that particular one is questioned.

AmberSpyglass

He’s a disgusting old pervert, OP has a point.

Yup, and was particularly dangerous because of the elevated social position he had.

Sadly, it seems to be more acceptable to the Queen to have sex with a trafficked woman than to point out a racist comment made by a member of the royal family. While I am not a royalist, I did have some respect for QE, but her position on things of late does show her as flawed. Of course, her age and her recent bereavement need to be taken into consideration.

He’s a disgusting old pervert, OP has a point.

I would want mine to face the consequences of their actions, however much I love them.
I'd find them easier to love if they did.

Whatever my children may do I will still love them.

I have to be honest here and admit to having a great fondness for the royals. It kind of goes against my politics but I can’t help it. And I also have a great admiration for The Queen. But what I’ve never understood is that I’ve often read that Andrew has always been her favourite child and he’s the only one that I’ve always disliked and had no time for, the others seeming to be quite hard working and decent.

Unfortunately too long ago to examine the bank accounts to see if any money changed hands.

Her father accompanied her on the flight to London when she was 17. He waited around until the “business” had been completed. Perhaps he should be answering some questions?

I very much doubt any of the royal family are wiping anybodies arse, let alone each others

Andrew IS a disgrace though, goes without saying

Germanshepherdsmum

*trisher*, you can’t possibly know what HM thinks. Unless you are incredibly well connected?

I can speculate though!
Why else is she keeping him in the background?

You can only do that when it relates to Meghan and Harry?

trisher, you can’t possibly know what HM thinks. Unless you are incredibly well connected?

If my DS was involved with a child trafficker and the police were asking him to give evidence I would push him to the station if necessary. Regardless of if he is innocent or guilty PA has not behaved well. He shows either a complete lack of judgement in his friends, an inability to appreciate charges of child trafficking and under age sex, or an involvement in these things, or possibly all three. He could have cut his relationship with Epstein, he didn't, he could have voluntarily given evidence in the US, he didn't, he could have admitted the sexual relationship was a possibility he just denied it.
His mother it seems just thinks if he hangs on a bit it will all go away. What a family!

Well the questioning of the accuser is part of the process isn’t it?

Yes, of course, but not on social media

Jennifer you’ve certainly put the cat among the pigeons there!

Well the questioning of the accuser is part of the process isn’t it?
Otherwise we would have a kind of ‘free for all’ where completely unfounded accusations become widespread.

Alleged rape victims have to undergo initial scrutiny to weed out the time wasters and those with an ulterior motive.

Look how many male schoolteachers’ careers have been ruined because of a malicious accusation from a female student with an axe to grind.

To repeat, I don’t like PA, I never have but as to whether he is guilty of this woman’s accusation, I have no idea.

Bearing in mind who he chose to be friends with, obviously it doesn’t look good for him, but
‘doesn’t look good’ isn’t good enough in the eyes of the law.

Who on earth thought this was a subject worth discussing, yawn, I had a bad night last night and this thread is serving as a soporific zzzzzzzzzz

Been staying off this thread as it is, at its heart, very distasteful and childish.

But what is more distasteful still is the low level background chorus of "questioning" how the complainant could have got herself into this situation in the first place.

Innocent until proven guilty works both ways.