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I've posted one example Doodledog if you would like to post the actual words of MW where she says anyone must do anything during counselling I'm quite willing to reconsider. What I'm not willing to do is to base my opinion on tabloid newspapers, anti-trans tweets and people who misgender MW. Because that is bias and prejudice but seems to be where your information comes from.

Oh some can Doodledog. Not just on a thread like this, but in any subject.
People quote the bits that support their cause whilst accusing others of sending out incorrect messages because they have read/heard something else which doesn’t fit.
You’re quite right. If you weren’t there and heard it for yourself, anything else is hearsay and usually coloured by the posters perceptions rather than necessarily the truth.

As I said show me one detailed quote where she has said women have to and must be made to accept the things you have claimed and I will reconsider. But you won't because you can't.
And exactly the same about being there applies to you two. Except I have bothered to read the transcripts and you haven't.

trisher you really are funny. ???
It wouldn’t make the slightest difference to your comments if I quoted something, so I won’t bother.
You can translate that as, “You can’t find any”.
What’s new?
If I thought it would make any difference to you if I did, then I’d investigate, but it would be a waste of my valuable time.

How do you know I haven't read the transcripts? I have - or at least accounts of them, as funnily enough, the ERC haven't handed me the originals - did you see those? We went through this over and over on the last thread on the topic, where we reached a million pages because of the constant diversions and requests to go back and say the same thing yet again. I CBA either, really.

I was the one who said that neither of us is certain about what was said to whom - I accept that, and pointed it out, so I don't know why you are trying to use it against me . I don't read tabloids, and I'm not on Twitter, so you have the advantage on me there, if you have read their accounts. Oh, and I haven't misgendered MW either.

I'm pleased you find me funny Mollygo I don't find people who misquote, mis represent, misgender and post on social media unfounded and false opinions garnered from the tabloid press at all funny, particularly when they attempt to claim those opinions have a foundation, but they can't be bothered to look for any. It makes me realise what level of debate I enter into on GN. It's not feminist, it's not reasonable and it's certainly not intellectual. You are right about one thing though it is a joke.

This whole thread is based on a tweet from someone who isn't even a real person Doodledog Did you miss that?

Still awaiting a quote by the way. The argument from Doodledog now seems to be that the transcripts are false- but hang on where do your opinions come from then???

Using a pseudonym is not the same as not being a real person. Speaking against TRAs is a dangerous business (and I can't believe you have missed that), so whoever JH is 'in real life' I don't blame them for keeping it quiet.

trisher

Still awaiting a quote by the way. The argument from Doodledog now seems to be that the transcripts are false- but hang on where do your opinions come from then???

I refer you to the previous thread, on which I spend a ridiculous amount of time backing up everything, only to be asked yet again to go back and do it all again to fit with your DARVO behaviour. I'm not falling for it this time, as I have work to do.

Nice if you to make it personal but really trisher, I’ve thought arguing with you (I really can’t dignify your posts as debate), has been a joke for a long time; your diversions, switching topics, bringing in other elements, wrong type of feminism etc and worst of all your inability to see the truth of what females are concerned about.
If you weren’t, as we all are on here, simply an anonymous person, I’d be worried, instead of finding you funny.

Doodledog

Using a pseudonym is not the same as not being a real person. Speaking against TRAs is a dangerous business (and I can't believe you have missed that), so whoever JH is 'in real life' I don't blame them for keeping it quiet.

Absolutely. If someone like J K Rowling can suffer the vile, perverted abuse she has for allegedly being a transphobe, when not one person can actually quote one transphobic remark, then nobody is safe. I admire anybody prepared to put their personal safety at risk by using their given name, but do fear for them.
I wonder why GN posters hide behind usernames, does that mean none of us is a real person? Anybody want to reveal their true name to prove they're a real person?

I need to tell you all that galaxy isnt my real name. I think I am real?

Galaxy

I need to tell you all that galaxy isnt my real name. I think I am real?

Galaxy I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!
Rosie or some type of variant probably features in one of my names, I am real

Galaxy, you must be real, you have stars named after you. Like Rosie51 my real name and username are connected. ?

So I'm accused of diversions It really has come to the ridiculous. Thanks for drawing attention to the level of debate Galaxy and the sort of nonsense necessary to support the views of someone who may exist but actually is so terrified of social media she just uses it to attack other people whilst hiding herself. What's the expression? "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen"?

But everyone on this site is doing that trisher.
As a diversion I had a wander onto the guilty feminist Twitter feed as I think that's where the original issue began, with their interview with MW. It is so depressing. Honestly I could cry. Some really important issues on there but just buried under absolute dross.

There is a difference Galaxy between posting on a moderated site where comments can be deleted and people banned to posting on social media, having a website and developing a prominent and outspoken profile which openly citicises others with absolutely no evidence of who you really are. As I said what is feminist about hiding behind a false name and using it to expose others to the sort of abuse you evidently fear?

"If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen"? do you really believe only people willing to be threatened by TRAs with violence, rape, die in a grease fire memes, pornographic images, other sexual attacks (choke on my ladydick being a prime example) should express an opinion? Owen Jones is a prominent TRA who attacks anyone he pleases without any evidence but blocks anyone who disagrees with him. Obviously can't stand the heat but determined to stay in the kitchen, and doesn't suffer the vile abuse.

As I said what is feminist about hiding behind a false name and using it to expose others to the sort of abuse you evidently fear? I have never seen a feminist post that threatened violence, hopes for an imminent death, abuse by a vulva or cancelling the person. Feminists just don't go in for the same tactics that the TRAs do. How many TRAs can you name who has been cancelled, driven from their university, been treated shabbily by their political party? It's rule by bullies and I'm sad you're willing to endorse it.

Rosie51 ?

has have

Rosie ??

trisher

So I'm accused of diversions It really has come to the ridiculous. Thanks for drawing attention to the level of debate Galaxy and the sort of nonsense necessary to support the views of someone who may exist but actually is so terrified of social media she just uses it to attack other people whilst hiding herself. What's the expression? "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen"?

So I’m accused of diversions Yes trisher, also deviations or derailments, on this and any other threads where posters express concern about the erosion of the rights of women. It’s like a signature for posts.

Great post, Rosie.

Someone like JKR, who has been going through a ridiculous amount of slander and libel lately, is able to throw money at the problem. She can afford lawyers, doesn't need to keep her job, and can afford to live anywhere she likes, unlike 'ordinary' feminists, who won't get legal aid, need to keep a salary (and many work for the sort of institutions that run scared of Stonewall) and are terrified to stay in their communities, but can't easily move house. Some will have children, and fear for them, too. Is it any wonder that we hear about the former group, but the latter have to stay anonymous?

In case anyone reading the thread is not familiar with the sorts of things that happen to women who speak out, here are some links:

Oxford professor needs protection from trans activists

JK Rowling under threat

Attempts to silence MP Rosie Duffield

Another professor (this time of human rights) under threat

These are all from the first page of hits on a Google search of 'threats by trans activists'. I didn't have to look hard for them, and they are from a range of mainstream media sources, so not obscure anti-trans groups (not that I'm a member of anti-trans groups, obscure or otherwise).

This is not about nasty bullies picking on poor vulnerable transpeople. It is about people having their lives and careers threatened by people who refuse to engage in debate. Yet, it is these women (and others like them who prefer to remain anonymous) who are being told to 'get out of the kitchen if they can't stand the heat'. Go figure.

Good post Rosie.
Very perceptive post. Doodledog.
The fact that any woman has to face the sort of abuse aimed at JKR, is appalling. The fact that only those with the money to defend themselves feel able to speak out, whilst those who support the erosion of women’s rights do so loudly and with vitriol is shameful.