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farview Fri 29-Oct-21 20:56:45

My 5yr old grandson..asked me why sugar is pronounced shugar....when it doesn't have a 'h ' after the ' s.'..??? ...

Baggs Fri 29-Oct-21 21:00:50

The word sugar is derived from an Arabic word 'sukkar' which itself comes from Sanskrit 'sharkara'.

Try that

Baggs Fri 29-Oct-21 21:03:13

PS Sharkara apparently means gravel or grit. Makes sense when you think of less refined sugar crystals.

JillyJosie2 Fri 29-Oct-21 21:11:17

What an interesting question, I now know that only sugar and sure (along with sumac) are English words pronounced with an 'sh' !
It seems to concern pronunciation from the French to English (Arabic comes into it too). Here's a piece I found which I haven't got time to edit, hope it helps.

"The sound of French /u/ (a close front rounded vowel) is denoted [y]. Sugar is from French sucre [sykʀ(ə)], and sure is from French sur (e) [syːʀ].

Sugar, sure and sumac are the only three in Modern English, but historically there were others. In the sixteenth century a phonetic change of sy- to sh- was attested (in the shape of sh- misspellings) not just in the words sugar and sure, but also in words like suit (variously spelled shute, shutte, shuite and shuett), suet (spelled showitt, shewet and shuet) and sue (spelled shue). By the nineteenth century, the sy- pronunciations won out for all but sugar, sure and sumac (and was later replaced by plain old s-), though the sh- pronunciation also survived in the middle of some words like issue, tissue, assure, ensure, insure, pressure, etc."

From a website english.stackexchange.com/questions/33434/why-are-sugar-and-sure-pronounced-with-an-sh

Katie59 Sat 30-Oct-21 09:56:08

There are a lot of English words that are not pronounced literally, we all learn the usual language, overseas visitors can be very hard to help if the pronounce place names wrongly.

Granny23 Sat 30-Oct-21 10:18:36

My 11yo GD is dyslexic. She really struggles with reading and in particular spelling but excels at maths. She explained this difference to me saying " eight and ate sound the same but mean different things, 8 always means 8 things, same with four and fore. Numerals always say the same and have the same value - easy peasy!

Tizliz Sat 30-Oct-21 11:52:21

Granny23 what a very clear explanation