M&S diversity officers give staff pronoun badges……. a step too far?

If you think that, you clearly have misunderstood the article.
pronouns are not the enemy. .In that you are right. its the misuse of language that is.

She should be jn a female prison.
He should be in a female prison.
Sorry if I am not lol.

I suppose my preferring, as a woman, to be called she/her/hers is the same as giving everyone a good dose of LSD

Pronouns are not the enemy lol

VioletSky

But Rosie I am here defending their rights to preferred pronouns because I value and appreciate these people.

But are customers in the slightest bit interested as they would, in all probability, never use those pronouns?

They want to know where the sliced gluten-free bread is now, they may want to have a little grumble because the food hall has been completely rearranged (yes, I know it's not the fault of the store assistant and she/he/they agreed with me) or where the packs of knickers are but in all those instances there is no need to address anyone by a pronoun!

The article is spot on. its a lowering of defences to achieve a similar aim.

what are the repurcussions for calling a male a male?

Rosie I am a trans ally, I value and appreciate them and will use their preferred pronouns when needed and defend their right to them.

It doesn't matter how often I get the opportunity to.

Of course you being polite and thankful regardless of their preferred pronouns is a beautiful thing too

But why is it OK for you to deny them the pronoun they choose Rosie51. If someone used the wrong pronoun about you I assume you wouldn't be happy, but they are just epected to put up with it?

The article is nonsense because imagine equating one of the worst things a woman can experience with using a preferred pronoun and then calling yourself feminist.

No one is going to slip a pronoun into your drink in a bar.

If you don't want to use someone's preferred pronouns you can easily, as demonstrated by many commentors who don't wish to, avoid them while still being polite.

No one is forcing you to do anything.

If you choose to deliberately (not accidentally) misgender someone, that's different and may have repurcussions.

VioletSky

But Rosie I am here defending their rights to preferred pronouns because I value and appreciate these people.

I show I value these people by thanking them, smiling, paying attention to them, treating them as I'd wish to be treated, in person, every single time. I don't wait to leave a review using a third person pronoun which in all probability they wouldn't even see.

I would like to see the statistics that show non binary men are less likely to offend than any other type of man.

Well there were comments about the article i linked :nonsense offensive and intolerant..but no real back up as to why?

But Rosie I am here defending their rights to preferred pronouns because I value and appreciate these people.

Gay men experience violence, black men experience violence, etc etc, should they be thrown to the wolves. It's not womens job to solve Male violence and its certainly not their job to act as a shield whilst at the same time having their safety compromised.

I can't believe all this fuss about a choice being given of a badge with a chosen pronoun . If you don't want them that's fine but perhaps others do, have they no rights?

When I have used M&S changing rooms I have never seen who is in the cubicles next to me so I struggle to understand why they are an issue.

VioletSky

I didn't say it was a regular occurance but it does happen, if I leave a review or describe previously speaking to someone else.

It's always very odd when people seem to know more about why I think or how I live my life than I do.

Sorry but I do care that the person who sevez me in a shop feels values and appreciated. Using preferred pronouns is such a small and easy way to show them seemed to indicate to me this was an "in person" occurrence that was more than a rarity.

I didn't claim to know more about why you think or how you live your life than you do. I stated that I was struggling with you using third person pronouns to an assistant in person.

women are incredibly vulnerable to male violence.

Women are not a human shield for men who also experience Male violence.

safeguarding really should be the top priority, I agree

I didn't say it was a regular occurance but it does happen, if I leave a review or describe previously speaking to someone else.

It's always very odd when people seem to know more about why I think or how I live my life than I do.

safeguarding is based on sex. sex cannot be changed. identifying as a women therefore doesn't give anyone a free pass to avoid this. well it shouldn't. oh and sex is not assigned.,its an objective reality.
and yes of course no one shoukd be subjected to violence, but males in a female space is not the way to go

It's woke virtue signalling Rosie51

I do care that the person who sevez me in a shop feels values and appreciated. Using preferred pronouns is such a small and easy way to show them.

I'm assiduous in showing shop staff respect, would never ever carry on a conservation either on the phone or with a companion while I'm being served. That's just rude and disrespectful. I've honestly never had to refer to a shop assistant with a third person pronoun within their hearing. I'm amazed that this is a regular ocurrence for you VioletSky, I'm struggling to see why you wouldn't be addressing the assistant as 'you' as in 'thank you', or 'can you help me please?'

I agree, VS. Also offensive and intolerant

GrannyMacawell

It matters because safeguarding is based on sex not gender. toilets, prisons, women refuges etc should be based on sex. let's not confuse sex and gender.
If a boy wears a dress is he a girl. or is he a boy in a dress?

I think the nuance missing is that the danger, or perceived threat, tends to be from cis males when we discuss safeguarding on sex.

Transwomen, non-binary, and gender fluid people are incredibly vulnerable in terms of being victims of violence. Throwing them into a population of cis males b/c of their assignment at birth is like throwing an injured lamb among the wolves. Do they not deserve any protection?

As to your question, that depends on how they view themselves, doesn't it?

I'm not interested in policing someone else's identity. And since clothes don't have genitals, they're neither male nor female by any definition, so I'd simply say they were someone wearing a dress.

Frankly, Billy Porter looks absolutely fantastic in a ballgown.

That article is nonsense

Why?