Meghan on the Ellen show.

Great advice, tickingbird, thanks.

As for you Algerias I suggest you do as you advise and read before commenting. I’m sick of some members of GN inventing posts and/or attributing posts to the wrong person.

Fanny Cornforth

Tickingbird I can assure you that I don’t read ‘gossipy magazines’ either.
I’ve explained why calling Ellen ‘degenerate’ is unpleasant

What are you talking about??? I haven’t referred to this woman as degenerate. It’s about time you thought about what you’re posting. Maybe you’d like to apologise.

That goes for you Beswitched too.

Parents have been helping children as long as it has been possible, and at every level from primary to A level, and even university and at state and private schools. It is universal.

What happened, or didn't happen, at Eton would have been happening at the local state school as well. Examiners become quite good at sniffing it out.

Too good sometimes. It still wrankles with DD that she didn't get a prize in a plasticine modelling competition at a school bazaar because it was so good that they thought one of her parents had done it. DH was away on business at the time, and as she pointed out, if I had been the cheat the model would have been really dreadful and have stood no chance of winning the prize.

Germanshepherdsmum

Charles is intelligent but not academically gifted. I agree that working within the RF it wouldn’t have mattered one jot what exams H did or didn’t pass, and that he would have been better off staying in the Army where he earned some respect. Especially as that would have reduced the chances of meeting MM. Imagine her as an Army wife!

Harry might disagree with you on that Germanshepherdsmum. Didn't he say something like the stars were aligned for Meghan to fall into his life, so she would have found him wherever!

eazybee

If you think Harry was the only pupil who received 'assistance' with his course work you are extremely naive. It happened all the time with help from parents, tutors and senior members of staff, and is almost impossible to prove; children and staff know, and very occasionally the pupil concerned will admit openly to it, thinking it clever. That is one reason why course work was severely restricted and more reliance placed on exams.

Harry's work was investigated by a tribunal at the time and no evidence of cheating was found, although it was admitted he was given help to prepare it. I remember the case, and the art tutor had threatened to make allegations when she was dismissed, and they called her bluff. She did receive a settlement because dismissal procedures were not followed correctly. Possibly.

It is not true to say that there was no evidence of cheating because the tribunal could not rule on this issue as it was completely outside the remit of an employment tribunal. The issue they had to rule on was the employment issue between teacher and school

What the tribunal actually said in their judgement was "It is clear whichever version of the evidence is accepted that Mr Burke did ask the claimant to assist Prince Harry with text for his expressive art project ... It is not part of this tribunal's function to determine whether or not it was legitimate."

Eton have had several cheating scandals - the most recent a few years ago where teachers who were also A-level examiners were tipping off their pupils about what questions would be on the exam paper

Charles is intelligent but not academically gifted. I agree that working within the RF it wouldn’t have mattered one jot what exams H did or didn’t pass, and that he would have been better off staying in the Army where he earned some respect. Especially as that would have reduced the chances of meeting MM. Imagine her as an Army wife!

Prince Harry was highly successful army officer. Not a high flyer, but well regarded for his technical skills and his empathy for the soldiers he served with. The greatest shame is that he was not able to make a lifetime career in the army
Yes, he was.

Amazingly, many people I know did quite badly at school but went on to get qualifications and/or succeed extremely well in their chosen path in life.
School does not always bring out the best in some pupils.

I think Prince Charles has shown that he is considerably more intelligent than he is often given credit for.

To begin with he became concerned about the dangers we pose to our environment at a time when he was considered a crank, yet he stuck with it. he picked up on climate change, how we produce our food and the other environmental issues that now are of global concern.

I wonder how all those who make superior comments on the intelligence of the RF would measure up, if IQ comparisons were made.

Prince Harry was highly successful army officer. Not a high flyer, but well regarded for his technical skills and his empathy for the soldiers he served with. The greatest shame is that he was not able to make a lifetime career in the army.

My education was State funded and I can spell really

Just can't type.

If you think Harry was the only pupil who received 'assistance' with his course work you are extremely naive. It happened all the time with help from parents, tutors and senior members of staff, and is almost impossible to prove; children and staff know, and very occasionally the pupil concerned will admit openly to it, thinking it clever. That is one reason why course work was severely restricted and more reliance placed on exams.

Quite right, eazybee and it doesn't always stand the pupils in good stead when they have to go out into the world on their own and cope.

I’m afraid I agree with Fanny Lucca. Harry has inherited his parents’ lack of academic ability and I can’t imagine what he would have achieved academically without his very expensive and privileged education.
That wouldn't really have matter, though, would it Germanshepherdsmum because he would have had a 'job for life' and probably would have been good at it and an asset to the RF had he stayed because he has charm (or did).

I’m afraid I agree with Fanny Lucca. Harry has inherited his parents’ lack of academic ability and I can’t imagine what he would have achieved academically without his very expensive and privileged education.

If you think Harry was the only pupil who received 'assistance' with his course work you are extremely naive. It happened all the time with help from parents, tutors and senior members of staff, and is almost impossible to prove; children and staff know, and very occasionally the pupil concerned will admit openly to it, thinking it clever. That is one reason why course work was severely restricted and more reliance placed on exams.

Harry's work was investigated by a tribunal at the time and no evidence of cheating was found, although it was admitted he was given help to prepare it. I remember the case, and the art tutor had threatened to make allegations when she was dismissed, and they called her bluff. She did receive a settlement because dismissal procedures were not followed correctly. Possibly.

Is that hair shirt enough?

Shocking editing!

I knew as soon as I posted that I knew that someone would have a pull me up on that.
Apologies, it was a crass (and not very bright) thing to say.
I think that I’ll be giving these types of threads a wide berth for a while

FannyCornforth

maddyone

I expect I could have done better if I’d gone to Eton

I do think that it’s rather shocking to have access to all the academic excellence that Eton must offer, any to come out at the end of it so poorly --he can’t be very bright, can he--

So you are having a go at someone for not being very bright ? Nice.

I have a brother who went to a public school but was just not academically “bright”. He didn’t even get any O levels .
He has however had a successful career and is far more clever about money and practical things than I am

So very desperate to get on Oprah and Ellen, neither of which would happen unless she married as she did. Before, nobody was interested. She shows more and more that she is not royal and never will be. Just a means to an end for her.

tww my comment was in response to your saying ‘To be charitable…..’.

I was procrastinating about going to bed last night and watched the Ellen de Generes ‘prank’ in full.

EDG played Meghan like a fiddle, getting her to humiliate ‘little’ people who are just trying to make a living and humiliating herself with immature behaviour. None of it was funny and I felt so sorry for the venders involved.

Whatever happened to Be Kind?

www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2021/11/18/meghan-interview-review-ellen-degeneres-duchess-sussex-royals/.

This IS Meghan, as if we could forget.. Whatever gets her noticed.

As I said upthread, I had a certain sympathy with Harry as a youngster, he was quite upfront about his lack of academic ability. Brains like good looks are often genetic, an accident of birth and good fortune. It's not always possible to make yourself clever and achieve good grades if you happen to be a person who isn't blessed with the right grey cells. Even at a top school. Lets face it Charles and Edward wouldn't have got into Cambridge with their grades if they'd been anyone else. Royalty does bring some privileges and the best private education on offer is one of those. I believe only 7% of the population are privately educated but they still are massively over represented in the professions. Lets not pretend, it's much harder it is to achieve the same level of success from even a reasonably well regarded state school. We all know Harry in securing a raft of top positions, has been elevated beyond what he would achieve if he was bog standard Harry Windsor. Mind you having gone to Eton, even with two A levels he could maybe have blagged his way into a West End estate agents who sell to the very rich as some sort of negotiator, pupils from top notch schools have all the right connections and networks, far more so than say down the road from Eton at a Slough comprehensive.

NotTooOld

He should have been allowed to stay in the army, imho, even if it took a bit of trickery (of which I disapprove) to get him there.

And yet it is ok to remove a 4 year old from a school if the parents have used granny's address to get them in? Actually I think it is quite disappointing to think people can get into Sandhurst by cheating.

He should have been allowed to stay in the army, imho, even if it took a bit of trickery (of which I disapprove) to get him there.